tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post6562847109761932454..comments2024-03-28T00:31:13.472-07:00Comments on <em>Archimago's Musings</em>: MUSINGS: On the joy of numbers... Yet more on that audio "Subjectivist" vs. "Objectivist" debate.Archimagohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-62730730333082693622018-05-24T23:22:53.725-07:002018-05-24T23:22:53.725-07:00Well, you can take this as an anecdote if you like...Well, you can take this as an anecdote if you like but I often travel to the outback where the coastline is some 60kms as far as the eyes can see. Sitting down on a rock ledge looking at the sunset in the horizon, my better half and I can clearly see the curvature in the distant edges where the ocean meets the sky. Is this an optical illusion?Prep 74https://www.blogger.com/profile/01821201947031867789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-24281456114862669252018-05-15T07:33:39.522-07:002018-05-15T07:33:39.522-07:00Hi Nick,
Yup. I even had some of Peter Belt's ...Hi Nick,<br />Yup. I even had some of Peter Belt's "Rainbow Foil" as a trial back in the day (I think I got a sample back in 1999). I did try them with some equipment I had including sticking them on the back of my CD players and on the CDs themselves.<br /><br />Can't say I ever noticed a difference.<br /><br />Unlike some in the audio-tweak industry (like certain cable Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-91439148730379178912018-05-13T19:13:30.207-07:002018-05-13T19:13:30.207-07:00Hi Arch, about the time I was trying to figure out...Hi Arch, about the time I was trying to figure out equipment and the various rags I was a regular reader of Positive Feedback Online. This was about 2004. Did you ever come across Peter Belt, or his wife May and their writing and beliefs? https://positive-feedback.com/Issue36/belt.htmNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05352151855145958818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-7432581506621159132018-04-25T11:24:59.163-07:002018-04-25T11:24:59.163-07:00No, there's no evidence that the earth is curv...No, there's no evidence that the earth is curved. "If you look at the horizon with an unobstructed view, preferably at some height, it can clearly be seen to be curved. And there were no (as far as we know) large human structures to obscure that view."<br />The only pictures that show curvature are too high for ancient man to be in, such as in outer space, not from on top of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-68106644220696006642018-04-24T10:45:59.964-07:002018-04-24T10:45:59.964-07:00"I find it fascinating how some pure subjecti..."I find it fascinating how some pure subjectivists refer to folks who use objective analysis as "Flat Earthers" Whenever I see that, I don't know whether to call it some weird form of category error, or simply projection. Radical audiophile subjectivists are of course the actual 'flat earthers', by analogy to those who presume what they see (a flat landscape), to be StevenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08457350132948312910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-55510421473631235282018-04-22T07:18:23.795-07:002018-04-22T07:18:23.795-07:00I see that the Stereophile stable has been bought ...I see that the Stereophile stable has been bought out by the Hi-Fi News stable.<br />www.hifinews.co.uk/sites/13/documents/AVTechAmericasPR.pdf<br />Maybe that's behind the changes.<br />Ianianrthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03753850914457390256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-58441249131510911302018-04-22T02:20:07.444-07:002018-04-22T02:20:07.444-07:00Thanks for the link Arch. There is more to the hi...Thanks for the link Arch. There is more to the history of this than I was aware. A bit surprised that the Chinese viewed the earth was flat until the 17th century - but there is no excuse for those that still hold that view today, a bit like the belief in magical properties within an audio electrical signal.Prep 74https://www.blogger.com/profile/01821201947031867789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-31826204587630065852018-04-21T23:54:55.306-07:002018-04-21T23:54:55.306-07:00Yeah, I suppose Prep. Don't know...
Even if p...Yeah, I suppose Prep. Don't know...<br /><br />Even if prehistoric man saw the curvature on the plains or across the savanna assuming no obstruction by trees or mountains, would he have deduced that this was a partial view of a larger sphere?<br /><br />Also, it looks like it depends on which part of the world one looks at. For example, it seems that the mainstream Chinese view of the Earth Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-31602793186441551132018-04-21T17:59:51.353-07:002018-04-21T17:59:51.353-07:00Flat Earth Theory
Although we can never know, eve...Flat Earth Theory<br /><br />Although we can never know, even the probability that humans believed the earth was flat 300,000 years ago is questionable. If you look at the horizon with an unobstructed view, preferably at some height, it can clearly be seen to be curved. And there were no (as far as we know) large human structures to obscure that view.Prep 74https://www.blogger.com/profile/01821201947031867789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-59760412145491985102018-04-21T17:51:54.929-07:002018-04-21T17:51:54.929-07:00The claim by pure subjectivists that science does ...The claim by pure subjectivists that science does not know everything about music recording and reproduction, so therefore cannot measure everything that is relevant escapes logic. Claims of this nature intertwine universal objective analysis with individual subjective experiences.<br /><br />To my mind, objective analysis as to whether, for example, one recording/distribution/playback chain or Prep 74https://www.blogger.com/profile/01821201947031867789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-82909137732865885352018-04-21T13:32:17.517-07:002018-04-21T13:32:17.517-07:00BTW: Regarding Flat Earthers and Audio
I find it ...BTW: <strong>Regarding Flat Earthers and Audio</strong><br /><br />I find it fascinating how some pure subjectivists refer to folks who use objective analysis as "Flat Earthers". This implies that in their minds, there is something "special", "different", or "unmeasurable". While I agree that we cannot fully measure or reductionistically identify how a Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-52139689997137761882018-04-21T11:16:29.262-07:002018-04-21T11:16:29.262-07:00Audio seems the last bastion in hobbydom (though I...Audio seems the last bastion in hobbydom (though I'm likely wrong about that) that has such a history of woo. Hanging around most of the online audio fora is depressing. There are still so many people who buy into the nonsense. Many of the posters sound like they have just come from a boutique audio salon, or at least way too many hours reading Stereophile or TAS. They have never been exposedjsrthetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09471258641340325875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-42727169693812150572018-04-21T11:01:48.673-07:002018-04-21T11:01:48.673-07:00Yes, too true.I should think a good electrician wo...Yes, too true.I should think a good electrician would be able to trace the problem. Just don't hire anyone with the word "audio" in their ad. jsrthetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09471258641340325875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-85010403953917599172018-04-20T23:34:55.131-07:002018-04-20T23:34:55.131-07:00Thanks for stating what I felt just 30 minutes ago...Thanks for stating what I felt just 30 minutes ago after reading Herb Reichert’s article. I quit commenting on the Stereophile, InnerEar, Audiostream because if you’re contrary it’s either deleted comment or you’re bullied to submission to believe they are right and you “litttle guy with no access to Western Electric gear will never understand.” I wonder if they realize how thy resemble the upperAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08576510775242840328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-62878773070337447062018-04-20T23:03:59.510-07:002018-04-20T23:03:59.510-07:00Thanks Doc :-).
Cheers...Thanks Doc :-).<br /><br />Cheers...Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-39752476310819748292018-04-20T23:03:23.420-07:002018-04-20T23:03:23.420-07:00Thanks for the note Prep...
One thing about the &...Thanks for the note Prep...<br /><br />One thing about the "Flat Earth" theory is that I was referring to the likelihood that this form of belief <em>probably</em> existed for most of human existence which would be something like ~300,000 years ago. I'm guessing that the earliest humans throughout prehistory thought the earth was flat rather than round.<br /><br />You're right Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-32077580330166207632018-04-18T14:56:37.996-07:002018-04-18T14:56:37.996-07:00Reichert offers little evidence of being a 'me...Reichert offers little evidence of being a 'measurer'. What he is, on the evidence of his writing, is an intellectual pompinjay. StevenShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08457350132948312910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-28859541440977343112018-04-18T13:29:30.421-07:002018-04-18T13:29:30.421-07:00A not completely ignorant audiophile, I very much ...A not completely ignorant audiophile, I very much enjoy reading your posts. You are clearly well educated. But because you write well, you do not litter your thoughts with gratuitous erudition and pompous periphrasis. DrKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14690402085158713867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-23847436916694582472018-04-18T02:29:04.609-07:002018-04-18T02:29:04.609-07:00Hi Arch
Another great write up and totally agree....Hi Arch<br /><br />Another great write up and totally agree. At the end of the day, every (or most) objectivists are also subjectivists. They too have different tastes, perceptions and biases affecting how they hear the sound but the key difference is that they try to understand why, in an objective manner.<br /><br />One point though and slightly off topic, given your skills around critical Prep 74https://www.blogger.com/profile/01821201947031867789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-70141340340586646622018-04-17T13:27:00.500-07:002018-04-17T13:27:00.500-07:00Thanks for the note Unknown.
While I obviously do...Thanks for the note Unknown.<br /><br />While I obviously don't mind reading and writing about the philosophical bits, even if I didn't like this stuff, it's just got to be explored in the current audiophile culture expressed among the "mainstream" magazines/writings we're faced with. Agree... There are better uses of time for the most part like enjoying the music.<br />Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-62643070644762015372018-04-17T08:15:39.532-07:002018-04-17T08:15:39.532-07:00Hi blog,
Yeah, for that measurement of the RPi/et...Hi blog,<br /><br />Yeah, for that measurement of the RPi/ethernet, there was some 60Hz that came through the ethernet system... Of course that was also through the switch it was plugged into. As you noted, it was a very small amount. Whether audiophile ethernet cables would make a difference I don't know but suspect unlikely. Probably more beneficial might be a better "audiophile Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-1807262932523085962018-04-16T20:22:58.390-07:002018-04-16T20:22:58.390-07:00Great article. I read the Audiostream piece and co...Great article. I read the Audiostream piece and couldn't find the words to articulate how I felt about it. You captured it really well. In the end I shrugged my shoulders and thought, why waste time thinking about this when I could be listening to music. More importantly, why is this even important. Any time, a person tries to characterize things in white and black and put labels on Frank Hardlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459440253798323447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-43960312629510724772018-04-16T19:04:17.662-07:002018-04-16T19:04:17.662-07:00I'm sure he knows what others think about that...I'm sure he knows what others think about that article.<br /><br />Considering that there have been no further posts on <em>AudioStream</em>, maybe the site too will be put out to pasture... Will see if the <em>Stereophile</em> guys rejuvenate it and if so what kind of editorial leadership is being raised to the task!<br />Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-91266037397834268482018-04-16T17:09:40.659-07:002018-04-16T17:09:40.659-07:00Thanks, will keep the other names in mind... I had...Thanks, will keep the other names in mind... I had forgotten about Hameroff and his quantum microtubules :-).<br /><br />Lemme know if "The Road To Reality" is a good read!<br />Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-39381120979259638302018-04-16T13:21:09.745-07:002018-04-16T13:21:09.745-07:00I haven't heard of that problem for quite some...I haven't heard of that problem for quite some time. And I am no expert.<br /><br />It used to be quite common that anything, especially something with a motor, would bleed through the speakers. I don't think you have a ground loop - that results in a hum. <br /><br />You might want to talk to an electrician or specialist. I am not aware of any fancy power cords that will fix it. A UPS jsrthetahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09471258641340325875noreply@blogger.com