tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post6878464258459960259..comments2024-03-28T20:21:36.177-07:00Comments on <em>Archimago's Musings</em>: MUSINGS: On Dysphonic Sounds, and Moby's "Fight" Against the Loudness War...Archimagohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-27480545162159930862018-04-29T10:13:39.719-07:002018-04-29T10:13:39.719-07:00Great article and discussion as always. One proble...Great article and discussion as always. One problem with getting the artists on board is that chances are their hearing is already damaged, even the younger ones. They probably need their recordings to be loud.<br /> The loudness war is a concern not only for the quality and enjoyment of the recordings but also for public health. There is no campaign to protect our hears, inform people about the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09155656754114702101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-28405856519800885082018-04-19T05:32:02.584-07:002018-04-19T05:32:02.584-07:00One of the many joys of listening primarily to ind...One of the many joys of listening primarily to independent artists or releases from independent labels is that the mastering tends to be appropriate. I very rarely groan in discomfort or have any complaints about the sound from albums I've bought in the past ten years. Forget the majors, support the indies :)<br /><br />If you look at the files from those CDs or downloads in a waveform discogalaxiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02751915300620966858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-61880638375792489072018-04-19T05:24:09.935-07:002018-04-19T05:24:09.935-07:00I wish I had not read that.I wish I had not read that.discogalaxiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02751915300620966858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-62304163642399232322018-04-13T13:33:43.804-07:002018-04-13T13:33:43.804-07:00I think battery life is a factor because with high...I think battery life is a factor because with high DR recordings you have to play it louder, using more energy? The iPhone 6 you said was 1.4v out, but not loud enough for your higher resistance headphones. (Doesn't pop music play louder on it than jazz/classical, typically)? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-62655164425942461052018-04-11T13:23:46.747-07:002018-04-11T13:23:46.747-07:00Wow, Mitch. Yeah, that is incredible.
"Maybe...Wow, Mitch. Yeah, that is incredible.<br /><br />"Maybe I'm just getting old :-)"<br /><br />:-). Alas, definitely symptomatic of society. Invariably we see a (lamentably) brief window where the technology improvements are "shared" with end-consumers in the form of higher quality: old pro's making use of the new tools are able to do a lot more with the same. But then Allan Folzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06762674627739423845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-53492370850197026742018-04-10T07:48:27.641-07:002018-04-10T07:48:27.641-07:00At that time I had a technical briefing with Micro...At that time I had a technical briefing with Microsoft in Los Angeles. We had the chance of moving the date of the return flight, so, with a colleague (saying "what you what to do with money"), we went 2 weeks in Maui.<br />Now, I guess, it's too far from Italy.<br />I have a question: reading one of the comments in the above mentioned https://www.audiostream.com/content/Teodoro Marinuccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02293771086675156578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-79851819548638847132018-04-09T22:35:36.477-07:002018-04-09T22:35:36.477-07:00Hey Theodoro,
That was the Kapalua Bay beach in t...Hey Theodoro,<br /><br />That was the Kapalua Bay beach in that picture. Awesome place. Got a chance to swim with some turtles nearby in Napili Beach just a few minutes away also. Hope you get a chance to visit again :-).<br /><br />Thanks for the tips!<br />Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-13437675017945841332018-04-09T14:25:14.471-07:002018-04-09T14:25:14.471-07:00Long time lurker. sk16 thank you.. Steven Wilson d...Long time lurker. sk16 thank you.. Steven Wilson definitely subscribes to an old school way of music making. Including the story telling on an album. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-41733631144151672402018-04-08T14:02:52.596-07:002018-04-08T14:02:52.596-07:0020 years ago ...20 years ago ...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02877557995439988729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-72154259739963870632018-04-08T10:17:29.218-07:002018-04-08T10:17:29.218-07:00Hi Archimago,
thanks for pointing out the work of ...Hi Archimago,<br />thanks for pointing out the work of “The Lake Poets”: “Live from the Minster”.<br />I downloaded both versions, and I started listening the ALAC (16/44.1) version. After 20 seconds I switched over the FLAC24 (24/96) version, and I jumped on my seat!<br />The initial applauses revealed the size of the environment https://youtu.be/uxdNDPkN3K4), the voice seemed to come also from Teodoro Marinuccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02293771086675156578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-36172798095376136692018-04-07T15:19:22.536-07:002018-04-07T15:19:22.536-07:00Hey Phil,
That's a big one!
I've said a f...Hey Phil,<br />That's a big one!<br /><br />I've said a few things about this on Computer Audiophile already. Maybe I'll write a little more about the philosophical aspects of the dialectic between objective and subjective modes of sound quality assessment in the next while here :-).Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-38193112594080248102018-04-07T14:53:35.719-07:002018-04-07T14:53:35.719-07:00Somewhat off-topic for this particular article, bu...Somewhat off-topic for this particular article, but here's a hilarious refutation of your whole existence as a rational human being from a shill for the snake-oil merchants: https://www.audiostream.com/content/audio-without-numbers<br />PhilFromTOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15063597190515177345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-9884420843270191952018-04-07T13:04:51.176-07:002018-04-07T13:04:51.176-07:00Yes, very true. DR is just one of many dimensions ...Yes, very true. DR is just one of <em>many</em> dimensions we must look at. It's just a good place to start I believe because it's a choice that can be made in the studio by those involved in a recording.<br /><br />Another fact to remember also is that we can artificially increase DR values as discussed previously:<br />http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2017/08/Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-34430614438484669482018-04-07T12:21:35.578-07:002018-04-07T12:21:35.578-07:00Long-time lurker but first post. Really enjoy you...Long-time lurker but first post. Really enjoy your articles!! A breath of fresh air in an otherwise stale sector. I wanted to say one thing about DR that a high DR in itself does not guarantee the recording will sound great and we should preface the argument with a qualifier. Something like "a high DR score does not equal great recording but crushing the dynamics of a good recording is Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12841764926337218140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-24232570862696052602018-04-06T19:35:49.337-07:002018-04-06T19:35:49.337-07:00Dunno about 78rpm shellacs, but maybe for 33/45rpm...Dunno about 78rpm shellacs, but maybe for 33/45rpm vinyls, 0dB is triggered when the stylus flies off the platter on a classic Linn Sondek LP12 during loud transients? :-)Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-71450267441631187082018-04-06T19:30:26.844-07:002018-04-06T19:30:26.844-07:00Yup Steven,
Too much time wasted in meaningless h...Yup Steven,<br /><br />Too much time wasted in meaningless hi-res like DVD-A, SACD, Blu-Ray, "HRA", Pono, MQA, etc... None of these things truly imply "quality" despite the promise of <em>potential quality</em> that could have been.<br /><br /><strong>Apple: see my suggestions above :-).</strong><br />Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-10689529066008120432018-04-06T19:25:20.585-07:002018-04-06T19:25:20.585-07:00Thanks for the note nonnimorretti,
Yup. The mobil...Thanks for the note <em>nonnimorretti</em>,<br /><br />Yup. The mobile society with earbuds on subways and in buses crowd could indeed find high DR a problem. This is an important "chicken or egg" issue. I spoke about this general trend awhile back:<br />http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2016/08/musings-convenience-lossy-audio.html<br /><br />I honestly miss the "Loudness" button Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-80353558141122733612018-04-06T18:42:58.541-07:002018-04-06T18:42:58.541-07:00Hi Mitch,
Thanks for the note and your excellent a...Hi Mitch,<br />Thanks for the note and your excellent article written with experience from the "old days" :-).<br /><br />Wow... Production cost from 6-figure/album to $6000 bucks. That's one hell of a markdown!<br /><br />So sad to see that over time, what has been lost is simply <em>quality</em> from those microphones to the care being expended. Perhaps symptomatic of the state Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-89314376038056223192018-04-06T18:28:54.017-07:002018-04-06T18:28:54.017-07:00Hey Honza,
2009 Rolling Stones remasters IMO were ...Hey Honza,<br />2009 Rolling Stones remasters IMO were a total disaster and was such a disappointment that I spent money on those.<br /><br />Recently, I was listening to some ripped 45rpm dance and electronica from the 80's and 90's. Those sound punchy and overall fantastic and typically run at DR11-14. I have absolutely no issue with purposeful distortion if it's "honestly"Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-49089965268713872872018-04-06T18:22:05.002-07:002018-04-06T18:22:05.002-07:00BTW: If you have multichannel, make sure to listen...BTW: If you have multichannel, make sure to listen to <em>Hell Freezes Over</em> in surround. Even the DTS rip which I've converted to 5.1 FLAC sounds fantastic with DR14...Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-28355021084516069712018-04-06T18:18:48.644-07:002018-04-06T18:18:48.644-07:00Well slyrider, I feel your pain :-(.
Lots of grea...Well <em>slyrider</em>, I feel your pain :-(.<br /><br />Lots of great points there. Yeah, I'm perplexed by Moby - what he says in the article plus the admission of varying output quality... It's one thing when an artist is disappointed by his/her own artistic skill, but when the complaint is something so <em>technical</em> as in whether one decided to push the loudness too far or not, itArchimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-56367130983311085232018-04-06T18:01:13.418-07:002018-04-06T18:01:13.418-07:00Thanks Prep,
Nice to hear that the largest group ...Thanks Prep,<br /><br />Nice to hear that the largest group is at least the middle one :-). Pragmatic knowing what's "good" but of course understanding that we all need to make a living...<br /><br />This actually brings up a question / concern... <strong>Maybe more needs to be done to convince the artists themselves when their recordings suck?!</strong><br /><br />Not sure how thatArchimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-9247516820291315462018-04-06T17:45:05.567-07:002018-04-06T17:45:05.567-07:00Hello Allan! Thanks for the post...
Yup, great ex...Hello Allan! Thanks for the post...<br /><br />Yup, great example and exactly what I felt. Like a frog in a pot gradually heated to a boil, I think we forget just how good music <em>can</em> sound until an opportunity like what happened to you with the family away and you were able to put aside some distractions of life and re-experience what has been lost.<br /><br />I would not be surprised if Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-26410670451324839122018-04-06T17:36:53.198-07:002018-04-06T17:36:53.198-07:00Thanks for the note sk16,
Yup, Steve Wilson's ...Thanks for the note sk16,<br />Yup, Steve Wilson's remasters have been great. I have the Yes <em>Close To The Edge</em> and I see that he has maintained a DR11 value on average with that album. If only more would follow suit...<br /><br />Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-60575287295625738492018-04-04T17:14:31.934-07:002018-04-04T17:14:31.934-07:00That Reddit graphic doesn't make any sense. W...That Reddit graphic doesn't make any sense. What is 0 dB for shellac or Lps?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00337405534918255733noreply@blogger.com