tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post8651768243475845542..comments2024-03-18T22:54:30.699-07:00Comments on <em>Archimago's Musings</em>: MUSINGS / MEASUREMENTS: Thoughts on Vinyl LP Fidelity... (And thoughts on Sgt. Pepper's 50th Anniversary Remix.)Archimagohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-69527874435639991002022-10-20T20:54:56.542-07:002022-10-20T20:54:56.542-07:00The thing I have found. Vinyl can be ripped to dig...The thing I have found. Vinyl can be ripped to digital and still retain that sound. Meaning to me, that digital is most likely more accurate and vinyl is adding colorations that while pleasing to some, are not indicative of more natural or more realistic, but simply how some interpret the sound they hear on vinyl.kevin thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14102419901711989030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-33495400765271876142020-10-30T15:49:58.071-07:002020-10-30T15:49:58.071-07:00First, I'm enjoying going back through your ol...First, I'm enjoying going back through your older posts. Lots of good stuff there. :-)<br /><br />I'm not sure if you get notifications for a post this far back, but what the heck ...<br /><br />Just wondering where the vinyl harmonic content is coming from? It has to be the vinyl itself, the cart, or the preamp's phono stage; everything past that is the same.<br /><br />My guess is Bobtrumpethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08032805571723741855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-90640042262986748182017-09-22T01:57:09.866-07:002017-09-22T01:57:09.866-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.harada57https://www.blogger.com/profile/06015023155124017905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-27576584946686519312017-07-14T07:50:27.713-07:002017-07-14T07:50:27.713-07:00@tnargs why such attempts with words like "sa...@tnargs why such attempts with words like "sadly, presumptuous, contrary to fact, factual errors, trivially explained" to demean? Now I'd like you to back up those statements with your facts.<br /><br />If you think digitally sourced or digitally played back music sounds no different than analog I'll leave you to your opinion. I'm not looking to go down a path of trying to Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161715284263883629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-19900419990938097782017-07-14T07:49:30.745-07:002017-07-14T07:49:30.745-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161715284263883629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-4145382083884101142017-07-14T02:00:28.479-07:002017-07-14T02:00:28.479-07:00John, sadly, your comments are full of statements ...John, sadly, your comments are full of statements that are highly presumptuous and completely contrary to fact. And when the factual errors are removed, the remaining statements are trivially explained with psychoacoustics. In other words, bias. Your ideas that digital has a characteristic sound don't stack up. You are attributing psychological phenomena to sound waves.tnargshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04937893575268508575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-42654483578189961902017-07-13T09:53:36.432-07:002017-07-13T09:53:36.432-07:00There are some examples of new analog sourced reco...There are some examples of new analog sourced recordings. The most recent Beatles mono albums are analog, all of the Music Matters Blue Note remasters are analog, much of Analog Productions albums are analog. However, most remasters are cut from a digital source. It's unfortunate because there is a clear difference in the sound. The Berliner Philharmonic recently recorded some Brahms Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161715284263883629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-47606635733808263562017-07-13T08:20:32.738-07:002017-07-13T08:20:32.738-07:00Hi John,
While you could be right about analogue v...Hi John,<br />While you could be right about analogue vs. digital sourcing of the music, I'm not sure how one could test this without many other variables in the mix.<br /><br />These days, almost all new recordings are digital of origin. And as for old material, do we actually have any albums which are the exact same mastering where:<br />Sample A: direct analogue master tape --> LP<br />Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-3777039839377239822017-07-12T13:43:53.093-07:002017-07-12T13:43:53.093-07:00I didn't think there was any question that vin...I didn't think there was any question that vinyl is noisier than digital. Nice to see it visually, but you can easily hear the difference.<br /><br />You can spend just as much on digital equipment as analog. I can find a cheap turntable and I can find an expensive DAC.<br /><br />What should be analyzed if possible is why an analog sourced vinyl record has certain sound characteristics Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161715284263883629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-16911504889380005882017-06-25T23:40:42.268-07:002017-06-25T23:40:42.268-07:00Thanks for sharing Chip. Wow. That's a lot of ...Thanks for sharing Chip. Wow. That's a lot of hours spent on LP playback! Interesting estimate as well of 1% meeting your expectations of sound quality.<br /><br />No debate, clearly the engineering skills and production quality makes a huge difference. And that kind of experience and ability would be doubly important for vinyl pressing!<br /><br />Re: Arthur Salvatore... I certainly don'Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-53278850636298709342017-06-25T23:26:55.946-07:002017-06-25T23:26:55.946-07:00BTW, this is also the point of my suggestion years...BTW, this is also the point of my suggestion years ago that there be "Standard Resolution" CD and "Advanced Resolution" Hi-Res masters:<br />http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/12/musings-wisdom-of-simplicity-re-hi-res.html<br /><br />Heck, even if one knows that the "Advanced Resolution" doesn't need 24-bits and 96+kHz sampling rate, at least knowing that an Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-78760732185921237122017-06-25T23:18:54.177-07:002017-06-25T23:18:54.177-07:00Hello tnargs,
I use the DR as an easily accessibl...Hello tnargs,<br /><br />I use the DR as an easily accessible way to get an idea of the loudness; that's all. I don't think there's an over-reliance and I am aware of the ability to mislead. Sure, a system like R128 could be better but I certainly don't see a concern with anyone asking that their "hi-res" music have a DR value >10! Especially for a "classic"Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-74796925957779786062017-06-25T22:35:56.084-07:002017-06-25T22:35:56.084-07:00Thanks for the note Anthony...
I'm wondering ...Thanks for the note Anthony...<br /><br />I'm wondering do you have a LP recommendation for wind instruments that's a favourite of yours? I'd certainly love to keep a lookout for it and experience how it sounds.<br /> Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-60030968794959563042017-06-21T08:51:32.456-07:002017-06-21T08:51:32.456-07:00By the way: I've heard loads of CD reissues th...By the way: I've heard loads of CD reissues that have just been dubbed from the vinyl record - either because the tapes were lost, or because the reissue company didn't care, or didn't really ask for permission.<br />I even have heard a couple of CDs that were probably made from casette tapes! Luckily, some of the most expensive records I ever bought ($200 and up) were done well on CDAndershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15587427344826336157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-35414312449122217012017-06-21T08:42:17.477-07:002017-06-21T08:42:17.477-07:00Yes, some old albums would be closer to the source...Yes, some old albums would be closer to the source on vinyl because the master tapes are in poor condition now. Other albums are still closer to the source on CD, because the master tapes are in good condition.<br />Although mastering engineer Steve Hoffman is not my favourite source, he nevertheless said that the problem mainly arose when they switched from natural lubricant to artificial Andershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15587427344826336157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-27848598723002473672017-06-21T08:22:11.700-07:002017-06-21T08:22:11.700-07:00I don't have a blog with my findings, but I ca...I don't have a blog with my findings, but I can send the sound files to you by Wetransfer or something if you like - maybe you could even turn it into a post on this site one day :-).<br />I haven't done any measurements or more objective testing, so my 800 comparisons between vinyl and CD are purely subjective, but I have kept a log of it with comments (although often in Danish, as I'Andershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15587427344826336157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-89431229942552383582017-06-21T07:54:15.585-07:002017-06-21T07:54:15.585-07:00I think it is important to emphasise that the DR d...I think it is important to emphasise that the DR database and your DR tool don't really work and mainly mislead. Your reliance on them is disturbing. I expect it of most audio internet fans but not of you! ;) <br /><br />Some discussion of this issue: http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/54861-dynamic-range-scores-a-cautionary-note/ Read the opening post, but most of the ensuing discussion tnargshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04937893575268508575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-87487855161120269822017-06-21T03:12:03.250-07:002017-06-21T03:12:03.250-07:00"However, just because technically it is supe..."However, just because technically it is superior does not mean that the encoded music takes advantage of this fact about digital. I readily admit that I have many albums especially from the 1980's where the LP version sounds much more "full bodied" rather than the "thin" sounding CD, likely due to limitations of the early digital mastering techniques. Likewise, over mariettohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12450542750621823839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-32368256461637352062017-06-19T17:38:46.840-07:002017-06-19T17:38:46.840-07:00Thanks Anthony and Anders,
Great discussions guys!...Thanks Anthony and Anders,<br />Great discussions guys! Appreciate the thought put into the comments. Clearly many of you guys have had years of experience determining preferences for yourselves.<br /><br />There are just so many variables in play when it comes to preferences, especially when we're talking about vinyl playback with all its combinations and permutations of hardware over the Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-23596087818547634352017-06-19T13:32:50.370-07:002017-06-19T13:32:50.370-07:00Unfortunately, many vinylphiles don't acknowle...Unfortunately, many vinylphiles don't acknowledge that you can make an identical digital copy of a vinyl disc. They really do think that as soon as you digitize something you change the sound completely. They claim the technology is broken. None of them have actually tried it out and done a blind test – they just regurgitate what they read in the audiophile press: "Digital can never Andershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15587427344826336157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-76302577157632571402017-06-19T13:31:52.120-07:002017-06-19T13:31:52.120-07:00As your mp3 download is most likely not a recordin...As your mp3 download is most likely not a recording of the vinyl record, a better way of concluding whether mp3 is junk or not is to take the CD and rip it in mp3 format yourself and then do a blind test between the CD and the mp3. Did you try this? I've done it with Foobar's ABX plugin (free player), and I couldn't pass a blind test between 320 kbps mp3 and wav. Most other people Andershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15587427344826336157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-87225683629406015462017-06-17T08:22:28.867-07:002017-06-17T08:22:28.867-07:00As an additional follow-up from a vinyl proponent ...As an additional follow-up from a vinyl proponent I just received a new remaster LP by Jazz piano player Oscar Peterson (The Oscar Peterson Trio, Live in Cologne 1963). It included a free MP3 download. <br />After listening to the LP a number of times I downloaded the MP3 files and uploaded them to my Sony HAP-Z1ES file player. <br />To compare the sound of the LP vs. the MP3 is valid because anthony anellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970543164488873620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-38520992560323782142017-06-11T21:46:58.640-07:002017-06-11T21:46:58.640-07:00As usual - I'm late to the comments party! I a... As usual - I'm late to the comments party! I am a hybrid between music-phile and audiophile. Basically it's the music that matters to me, but I DO need a certain level of audio quality to really enjoy it. So I have a decent system - a mix of tube and SS that I have put together with much experimentation and A/B testing over the years. I have had (and listened to) an enormous quantity Chiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13354331808231528731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-82944591747810589142017-06-10T10:35:06.437-07:002017-06-10T10:35:06.437-07:00:-)
Either way, I do hope that in time audiophile...:-)<br /><br />Either way, I do hope that in time audiophiles choose knowledge and understanding rather than emotionally-based opinions and faith-based beliefs... We all have a role to play with transforming the hobby I think.<br />Archimagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642574001287787545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4781727111866727703.post-24279655185242592262017-06-10T03:57:16.178-07:002017-06-10T03:57:16.178-07:00Well perhaps I should've written "a lot o...Well perhaps I should've written "a lot of audiophiles" instead of most. :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09316911614713108139noreply@blogger.com