Left: This certified authentic Used Rolex Cosmograph Daytona Watch, with the Model Number: 126598TRU, has a Yellow Gold/Diamonds 40 mm Round Case with Screw Down Crown and a Gem Set. This Men's Rolex Cosmograph Daytona has an attractive Diamond Pave Dial with Gems Dial Markers. The certified Swiss tested Rolex Automatic Movement will keep perfect time for you. The elegantly designed Rolex Yellow Gold with will look great on your wrist.
Right: Timex Men's Waterbury Classic Chrono 40mm Stainless Steel Quartz Dress Watch with Leather Strap. Reviewed to be one of the best well-priced mecha-quartz watches.
If we plug in the phrase "Rolex vs. Timex" into Google, we'll see that there have been a number of articles written about this topic aimed at wristwatch hobbyists that compare and contrast things like history, the products, features, and prices (like this). For the purpose of our discussion here, the actual brands are of could not too important; these are mere archetypes - Rolex the Swiss brand that caters to the prestige luxury market, while Timex is an American company (originally started as the Waterbury Clock Company in 1854, these days American-Dutch) known to produce mass-market time pieces for the "common man"; to satisfy the needs of kids, the athlete, and yes, even dipping its toes into the luxury market though nothing like the Rolex brand price-wise. As per their classic slogan suggesting the device is meant for the conditions of daily life, the Timex - "It takes a licking, and keeps on ticking."
Over the years on this blog, I've touched on the ideas behind luxury products - here and here for example. We've also discussed the wine-tasting pursuit compared to audiophilia, but I think there is an even better analogy we can make when we look at something like the wristwatch collector (horophile) hobby. Since both audio products and watches are products of technological evolution, I believe there are similarities when it comes to the trajectory of these products, the industries behind their production, the consumers who buy them, the way they are portrayed in advertising (including in reviews) and social sentiment.
So grab a comfortable seat, maybe get a nice beverage, let's take some time to think and discuss...
To start, I think it's fair to say that humanity, through technological evolution has long had to balance two potentially contradictory desires: the pursuit of functional perfection and the attainment of beauty beyond function. This "tension" is evident in fields as diverse as watchmaking (horology) and audio reproduction.
For both, the technology began with the pursuit of accuracy. For watches, the goal was precise timekeeping from the sundials of old that failed on cloudy days to modern atomic clocks like the recently reported NIST Ion clock with precision of better than 1/30,000,000,000 second per year; this means the clock would not have gained or lost a second if started at the Big Bang! For hi-fi, it was faithful reproduction of recorded sounds from the very first Edison cylinder to modern high bit-depth and sample rate digital precision of today's DACs.
[Note that I'm talking about faithful reproduction of the "recorded sound", the "PRODUCTION" as discussed here. Accuracy can only be as good as what was created by the artists, the engineers, the studio, the process that etched the grooves on your vinyl or assembled those bits on digital media. Accuracy does not imply some kind of idealistic "absolute" accuracy to the sound in the studio when the artists sang and played their instruments, nor some kind of subjective mental accuracy of whether something is "natural" sounding or not to you or me!]
For both time-keeping and audio fidelity, as we have seen technical barriers fall and accuracy widely attainable, the industries surrounding these products have evolved into different variants. Luxury brands like Rolex in watchmaking and boutique "High-End" Audio manufacturers (of which there are many) shifted their emphasis away from utilitarian accuracy toward craftsmanship, exclusivity, and prestige. Meanwhile, more modest brands such as Timex in watches or mid-priced "pro audio" and consumer gear continued to focus on functional performance at accessible prices.
Let's break these ideas down further.
I. Pursuit of Accuracy: Temporal and audio fidelity as foundational goals
For centuries, the primary concern of watchmakers was how precisely their instruments could keep time. This was not simply for convenience, but it was a matter of survival at times such as when explorers were navigating the seas. The problem of accurately calculating longitude at sea, practically solved by the 18th century by John Harrison’s marine chronometers, evolved during the Age of Discovery.
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Prague Astronomical Clock - built circa 1410. Original accuracy up to 30 minutes error daily! Since 1866, much improved mechanism down to 1 second/day drift only. |
As far as I am aware, nobody needs an atomic clock on their wrist but there should be a highly acceptable level of accuracy in order to certify that the device can be called a worthy "chronometer". In modern Swiss watchmaking, the standard of accuracy became institutionalized in the form of the Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres (COSC), an independent organization that certifies watches as chronometers if they meet stringent precision benchmarks since 1973. A COSC-certified chronometer must keep time within -4 to +6 seconds per day, tested in multiple positions and temperatures. While this standard is far from near-perfect accuracy (and there are other definitions of accuracy like Rolex's Superlative Chronometer designation with +/-2s daily accuracy), it is one way to set a respectable benchmark for mechanical watches at least, grounding these devices within the original utilitarian purpose: measuring time reliably. Yes, even with luxury products, measurements are important as verification of quality.
In the same way, early high-fidelity audio was driven by the pursuit of sonic accuracy. The very term “high fidelity” implies closeness to the source ("transparency"), minimizing distortion and coloration in playback. Among the discussions of technically-oriented audiophiles, no doubt we've seen talk about DACs and amps with low noise, low total harmonic distortion (THD), speakers with well-controlled frequency extension across the audible range (typically 20-20kHz), and recording methods that could capture music with minimal added noise, and maximal dynamic range with little added distortion.
As far as I am aware, the audiophile industry doesn't have a standard measurement lab like the COSC where devices are certified "hi-fi", but I suppose measurements by independent reviewers using calibrated devices and speaker testing with the Klippel robot are the informal, but highly accurate, equivalent for us.
II. Luxury Drift: Accuracy Meets Marketing?
As technologies matured, something curious but perhaps not unexpected given the nature of human psychology happened. Technical "accuracy" ceased to be the sole selling point, and luxury markets at least tried to reshape consumer perceptions.
Before much of the audiophile measurement wars, in the watchmaking world, the 1960s saw the phenomenon of jewel inflation. Mechanical watches use small jewels (usually sapphires and rubies in higher-end watches, often lab-created these days), stronger than metal, as bearings to reduce friction and wear. A typical high quality watch requires around 17 jewels. Yet in a bid to market luxury and supposed superiority, companies began advertising watches with 40, 50, or even 100 jewels—many of which served no mechanical purpose whatsoever (like the Waltham 100). These watches did not achieve better temporal accuracy; in fact, their performance was often no better than modestly-jeweled movements. But the consumer’s eye was caught by the inflated jewel counts, a symbol of luxury, another tier of exclusivity, and assumed engineering progress. Ultimately, the International Organization of Standards (ISO) got involved in association with the watch industry to publish the ISO 1112 standard to prohibit the advertising of non-functioning jewels by 1974.
For us in the audiophile world, we've seen our versions of technical hype as fidelity benchmarks became easier to achieve. In the 1970's when consumers were still strongly attached to the idea of high-fidelity based on technical accuracy, this desire for technical proficiency pushed the marketing towards amplifier "THD Wars". At some point, the consumer realized that amps that achieve down to 0.001% THD (-100dB) sounded no different than 0.1% THD (-60dB) in even audiophile room usage, so interest dissipated. Other questionable practices like grossly inflated wattage claims (1000W PMPO - Peak Music Power Output, baby!!!) resulted in standardization like IEC 60268-3 for analog amps first published I believe in 1969. As for other ways to create the aura of luxury, we've seen manufacturers emphasize extravagant materials, exotic designs, create impressions that a certain "Class" might be better than another (eg. Class A amps better than Class D? R2R DACs better than ΣΔ chip DACs? DSD better than PCM? etc.). While certain Class products can be more difficult to make, thus cost more, or simply "over-engineered" and scarce, there's usually no evidence to claim broad audible differences (blinding essential) if modern measurements demonstrated equivalency.
Multi-hundred-pound amplifiers housed in aeronautical grade metals, extravagantly rare handmade phono cartridges, massive turntables supposedly created to isolate from the last iota of environmental vibration (but never able to fix LP off-center defects, dust, or wow-and-flutter anomalies on the plastic disc itself), speakers of stone and single-billet aluminum, and cables advertised as cryogenically treated, perhaps "actively" shielded with hose-like girth and geometrical windings, have become hallmarks of featured audiophile luxury today. Like the jewel-inflated watches, these products typically deliver no measurable improvements in accuracy.
Luxury drift, in both watches and audio, has pushed us to a point in which accuracy - though still valued - is no longer the sole criterion for quality or desirability. Arguably, for many, it's not even the primary criterion anymore despite questionable claims by some audio enthusiasts that they can still "hear" a difference. Luxury markets pursuing status and aesthetics can at some level dissociate themselves from the utilitarian ethos that had birthed the industries.
III. The Quartz Crisis and the Digital Audio Revolution
Although Electric Watches had been sold since 1959, the first being the Hamilton Electric:
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You might recognize this watch design in the movie MIB. |
This design remained a mechanical movement that replaced the power-source mainspring with the electric battery. A great innovation which meant we didn't need to regularly wind our watches any more or ensure we wear the watch regularly if it's an automatic winding mechanism (typically ~2 days of power reserve). Just change the watch battery every few years.
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Electric Timex 1965. |
When it came to time accuracy, the defining historical rupture in horology came with the Quartz Crisis of the 1970s into the 1980s. Quartz watches, using the piezoelectric effect to vibrate quartz crystals, delivered breathtaking accuracy compared to mechanical oscillators. As discussed earlier with the COSC standard, mechanical watches are expected to drift several seconds per day; quartz watches deviated only a few seconds per month. COSC themselves set minimum requirements for quartz wristwatches as +/-0.07s/d at 23°C. Furthermore, quartz technology was cheap to produce, resulting in the proliferation of mass-market brands like Seiko and Casio (first digital display wristwatch 1974) delivering both precision and very reasonable prices.
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Longines Ultra-Quartz - first commercially announced quartz watch in 1969. Unfortunately unable to bring into production on time. |
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The Japanese Seiko Astron 35SQ is remembered as the first, publicly available quartz watch - released Christmas Day, 1969. At release, the 18K gold version retailed at US$3000. |
For Swiss watchmakers founded on the mechanical tradition, this shift was an existential threat. Their raison d’être - accurate, high quality mechanical mechanisms - had been commoditized.
In just 3 years, by 1972, that $125 Timex Model 976512 quartz watch above would easily outperform $2,000 mechanical Swiss chronometers. This "crisis" decimated the Swiss watch industry from about 1600 companies in 1970 down to 600 by the early '80s. Understandably, the luxury mechanical watch industry had to survive not by competing on accuracy, but by redefining its identity and market. So, over time mechanical watches needed to become symbols of craftsmanship, artistry, and heritage. The appeal of a Rolex (Omega, Patek Philippe, Breitling, TAG Heuer, Blancpain, Breguet, Vacheron Constantin, Longines, etc.) is that it's sold as a handcrafted marvel of engineering tradition, an origin story couched in cultural cachet and aesthetic beauty.
The Quartz Crisis has an analogue in audio: the digital audio revolution. With the advent of compact discs (CD) in 1982 (remember, "Pure, Perfect Sound - Forever"), release of external digital-to-analog converters (DACs) shortly after by the time the S/PDIF interface became more prominent, and eventually digital streaming, much of audio fidelity became trivially easy to achieve. Is it any wonder then that within 10 years from 1980 to 1990, LP sales in the US collapsed from over 300M units per year to under 25M? Though we speak of a vinyl resurgence in the past 15 to 20 years, in 2024 the RIAA counted 43.6M units sold, this is still a 15% shadow of the former glory set more than 40 years ago when the world population was only half of what it is today!
[Notice that there has been a flattening of sales from 2023 at 43.2M to 43.6M in 2024, let's see what physical sales look like for 2025 when the numbers come in. A peak in number of units sold would not be surprising.]
Despite all the concerns by audiophiles, objective evidence clearly shows that a modestly priced CD or DAC today (or even by the late '80s, early '90s) will perform at levels of distortion and noise well below what is audibly necessary in the vast majority of situations (as usual, consistent with previous testing, try a blind listening test for yourself). Similarly, we have seen progress with amplifiers (ie. Class D), loudspeakers, and of course headphones in the expanding "head-fi" space. High fidelity - the original goal of the audiophile - is no longer the exclusive domain of very expensive equipment. It has become democratized for those in the middle class of the developed world who show interest in these products for decades now, just as quartz democratized wristwatch timing accuracy.
Faced with this reality, the audiophile market has had to evolve over the last few decades. Manufacturers and reviewers could no longer tout gains in objective results with each generation of product so they shifted from an objective emphasis into subjective opinions. Writers shifted from talking about the characteristics of technical "high-fidelity" sound to using flowery descriptions of "musicality", "warmth", "presence", "PRaT" and other emotional qualities they found appealing to impress potential buyers.
[The pursuit of "euphonic" sound as defined by one's idiosyncratic preferences is often at odds with accuracy to the point where these days, some audiophiles will happily boost their bass substantially beyond neutral and claim that sounds more "natural", and a "flat" treble reproduction may be experienced as "dull". As I've discussed before, the pursuit of "euphonophilia" is absolutely fine - so long as we understand that's the intent. In order to 'calibrate' one's ears for neutrality, I believe training is necessary.]
When we look at the glossy magazines like Stereophile, The Absolute Sound, and Hi-Fi+, it's not hard to see that they primarily cater to products marketed not for their measurable, objective, technical, superiority, but for their artisanal craftsmanship, exotic designs, or perhaps some kind of emotional appeal for the brand often linked with an origin story from the company's "iconic" founder or even folkloreish theory they've decided to develop.
Just as Rolex no longer competes with Timex on accuracy, as a generalization, luxury audio brands like McIntosh, Linn, Magico, Sonus Faber, Wilson, Burmester, Børresen, are not really in competition with the likes of Topping, SMSL, JBL, Schiit, ELAC, countless other mid-priced or pro studio gear primarily on the basis of sonic fidelity. Differences in objective fidelity remains starkest when we compare luxury tube, vinyl playback gear with modestly priced modern hi-res digital, solid state electronics. Justifications for preferences inevitably are wrapped up in psychological factors such as identity, faith, ritual, and prestige - or just plain subjective "euphonic" preference for a type of coloration/distortion.
IV. The Divide: Function and Aesthetics
What emerges from this comparison and historical developments is certainly not a bad thing in my opinion. With technological maturity comes an opportunity for manufacturers and consumers to choose what kinds of devices are developed based on different priorities.
On one side, I suppose we could label some consumers and hobbyists as functionalists, who remain focused on the original utilitarian purpose: accuracy in watches, fidelity in audio. For them, a nice enough looking Timex or a modern active reference studio monitor (maybe something like the JBL Master Reference 705P, US$1000 each, paired with some powered subs like dual 12" SVS SB-1000 Pro to fill in <60Hz) could be seen as the pinnacle of what they'd want or even ever need; modest, affordable, but precise.
On the other hand some hobbyists will approach these devices as aesthetes, who see watches and audio equipment as being more than tools. Viewed from this perspective, a Rolex or a luxury amplifier is an object of art, ritual, and personal identity. Its value transcends mere utilitarian function.
While these perspective are the extremes and I suspect most of us set our sights somewhere in the middle, neither would be inherently wrong. Functionalists rightly point out that a $50 Timex quartz watch tells time more accurately than a $30k Rolex Daytona, and a $500 Topping DAC these days can easily be more transparent than a $30k model. Aesthetes are free to express their personal/psychological desires to own luxury goods that provide pleasure - tactile, cultural, and emotional - that transcend measurements. Sure, winding up a mechanical chronometer, or lowering the needle onto a vinyl record, offer ritualistic satisfactions that no quartz watch or streaming DAC can ever replicate.
[Again, just please don't tell me that your mechanical wind-up watch or that vinyl playback system is more accurate or "high-fidelity", OK? Because that's not objectively true and claiming falsehoods in an era of misinformation will result in honest corrective pushback from many passionate audiophiles.😀]
Yet the analogy also serves as a caution. Jewel inflation in the 1960s misled consumers with meaningless metrics, and today we still see all kinds of audiophile marketing promoting dubious claims - mystical tweaks, implausible 'improved' audible jitter, unlikely lower noise, all with no evidence - that add nothing except excuses for charging a higher price. I can absolutely respect genuine craftsmanship, but empty claims often commingled with the pretentious luxury of snake oil products (like quantum effects, unobtanium questionable metallurgy, Illuminati stickers, etc.) must be called out regardless of which objective-functionalist/subjective-esthete end of the spectrum one aligns more with.
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Watch on the right based on "Luxury" LED Digital Watch for Men on AliExpress (less than $10). |
V. Beauty or Truth? Both?
I think the enduring question for us consumers is not whether we should buy the Rolex or Timex wristwatch, the luxury or inexpensive Class D TI TPA3255 amplifier, but rather consider what is it we are seeking for?
If the goal is truth - accurate time, faithful reproduction to the sometimes ugly-sounding recorded music - then modest functional tools capable of good objective measurements will more than suffice in the 21st Century. When accuracy has already been commoditized, we must be cautious whenever we see manufacturers and reviewers trying to correlate higher asking price with higher fidelity.
No reasonable Rolex mechanical watch owner would claim that their expensive device with +/-2s/day "Superlative Chronometer" drift would compete with the accuracy of a quartz Timex! Likewise, Rolex would be ridiculed to dare advertise that their mechanical automatic watch tells time "better" than a Timex! So too, unless proven otherwise, never assume that an MSB Reference DAC, or Linn Klimax DSM/3, or Chord DAVE, or DCS Vivaldi Apex, or Wadax Atlantis Reference will be any more "resolving" than something much more modestly priced but otherwise well-engineered.
If the goal is beauty, exclusivity, and identity, then owning something from that luxury market fulfills a different set of human desires. Exotic, exclusive things accompanied with much higher price tags should be no surprise whether we're talking about sports cars or purses. Within that luxury market, price likely correlates with desirability, not functional accuracy.
[See the comment below by Phoenix Dogfan about "Veblen goods"; a category high-end audio is aspiring to be.]
In a lifetime, we should not be bound to extremes whether of thought or of the product classes that we buy. When we start our journey as young audiophiles, it makes sense to go for the accurate but inexpensive Topping (Timex). In time, with living expenses easily covered, privileged with a larger home, greater net worth, higher affluence, then by all means, go for that Wilson/McIntosh (Rolex) you might have been dreaming about over the years.
Having said this, personally I would always want to make sure that I'm not giving up anything of significance when it comes to fidelity, so objective measurements would still be important for me. Also, since I believe some components make more difference than others, I would prioritize a high-quality set of loudspeakers or headphones over a DAC or an already powerful-enough quality amplifier.
As always, I would recommend drawing the line well before full-on audio hardware fetishism! 😱
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Very nice looking Omega Seamasters. Asking price for that beautiful ladies' bejewelled Omega Constellation with "small seconds" feature on the right is 526,000 Czech korunas/crowns. This is approximately US$24.9k currently. |
VI. Can "High End Audio" continue to grow to anywhere near the success of the luxury wristwatch market?
[I find it interesting that the well-known high-end company mbl has recently been sold to a primarily jewelry company. I believe that this is completely consistent with the model and consumer segment that the "ultra high-end" should be pursuing.
BTW, I loved mbl's show room in my visits to Singapore!]
* As per GQ's "Why true watch heads never set the time on their watches", I appreciate this nugget of honesty:Watches have long outlived their purpose as simply time tellers. They are keepers of stories, objects of beauty and design, great accessories, incredible feats of mechanical engineering, pickup-line delivery machines, and mega status symbols. Knowing if you’re on time to a meeting or not comes secondary to all this. As Owens put it: “If all I cared about was timekeeping, I’d get a digital watch!”
This recognition I believe is well-known among horophiles and impacts product reviews. For example, in this Worn & Wound review of the Omega Seamaster, notice the things the reviewer paid attention to. Fit and finish, personal reasons to buy it (eg. looking cool like James Bond), general reliability. Does he mention time accuracy at all? No. Elsewhere ABlogToWatch's NORQAIN Independence Skeleton Chrono 42mm Watches review ($7+k) noted this: "Finally, the movements are all COSC Chronometer-certified." That's all the reviewer needs to say about accuracy!
In the same way, how important really is the subjective impression of sound quality when reviewing the Wilson Chronosonic XVX ($329k MSRP)? Do we need to spend pages describing it? Do we honestly think Mike Fremer could ever say that it sounds poor in his small cluttered room? The form and desirability is what's most important with these kinds of products in order for the asking price to make sense. We hope that decent sound (function) is already a given. There's no mystery why magazines like Stereophile only rarely give poor subjective reviews. Maybe the High-End Industry should just form a COSC-like certification program that confirms adequate sonic fidelity within some reasonable limits and the subjective reviewer can say something useful about the usability, build quality, and industrial design based on their taste in the audio hardware gear art form.
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On a personal note, while my wife and I have complementing Longines watches we got for our wedding almost 25 years ago for fancy evenings, we make sure the time is correctly set when we do wear them. 🙂
However, as a pragmatic functionalist who eschews pretentious opulence, I've been happy with my made-in-Japan Citizen EcoDrive Skyhawk C651, slightly beaten up for the last >20 years (I guess around US$500 for new modern equivalent):
It's got mechanical hands for the classic look, digital LCD for stopwatch function when I need it like timing a steak, while doing physical exams like counting heart rate manually, or timing a cognitive test when other tools are not around. It's also got time zones for travels including that customized "VAN" for home base in Vancouver. 10bar (100m) water resistance is nice for the pool or on the beach. And best of all, solar powered so even if I don't wear it for months, no issue with losing track of time/date; the solar cells in this thing are still going strong after more than 2 decades.
Although I'm not into this, a buddy for some reason enjoys collecting luxury wristwatch "super clones", "replicas", and sent me this video recently:
Wow, clearly there's a significant market to have manufacturers go to this length! I guess audio cable clones like this and this do a pretty good job also.
If this is interesting, you should also check out this comparison, and this. Hey, some people collect labubus, others lafufus, and others hoard replica Rolexes.
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Greetings from Prague, in old Bohemia, friends. Dan Brown's recent novel The Secret of Secrets (2025) is staged in Prague and it's a quick, fun read as a travel companion.
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Marian Column & Church of Our Lady Before Tyn. |
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Prague Castle, . |
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Legal graffiti - bring your own spray paint to Lennon Wall. October 2025, Prague. |
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Vltava River by Charles Bridge on the right, Prague. |
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Star at St. Vitus Cathedral, Prague Castle. |
Notice in the photo above, I've opened up the lens aperture to accentuate the depth-of-field effect between the foreground jeweled star and the background stained-glass window; I also purposely made a few alterations to accentuate contrast, color, and lower noise.
Hope you're all enjoying the music and the sound system!
Hej Arch,
ReplyDeleteAnother enjoyable read!
I think it is fair to assume that the high-end industry is quite concerned by the rapid and growing availability of excellent high-fidelity products at Timex prices. How to compete? AI provided me with an answer very similar to yours.
“The high-end hi-fi industry can compete by focusing on areas where low-cost products fall short, such as offering superior craftsmanship, exclusivity, and an unparalleled listening experience through cutting-edge design, exotic materials, and meticulous component selection. They can also market the "experience" of ownership, emphasizing brand heritage, limited production runs, and aesthetic design that cheaper alternatives can't replicate. By focusing on a specific niche of discerning audiophiles who value these attributes, rather than competing on price or technical specifications alone, the high-end industry can maintain its position.” – Google AI
Seeing the number of boutique brands currently suffering financially, I wonder if that strategy alone will save their brand.
I also believe that a growing number of enthusiasts are less duped by the flowery claims of manufacturers than they perhaps once were. Blogs such as yours, ASR, and others have demonstrated what objective data can reveal, regardless of price. These measured results are facts that say much more about the sonics than the promised audio bliss claimed by several hi-fi reviewers.
For the aspiring audiophile there has never been a better time to acquire high end sound at quartz watch prices. And if you are willing to take a risk there are plenty of cloned/copied hi-fi equipment to be had at a fraction of the original price.
I recently came across an interview on YouTube with Ethan Winer a music producer and avid myth debunker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBETEbKFS1o&t=1169s
Well worth a watch!
Here is the link to his webpage
https://ethanwiner.com/articles.html
I am also about halfway through Dan Browns’ latest novel set in Prague. It must be enjoyable reading it in Prague and being able to visit all the historic sites he references in his book. Are you staying at the Four Seasons? What is your view on Noetic Sciences? Is our consciousness in our brain or somewhere else? 😊
Take Care, Cheers
Mike
Hey there Mike,
DeleteYup, I think the discussion in the article and AI's answer are the way to go. High-End Audio must not beat around the bush with claims about high-fidelity and just bring these products into the tier of luxury goods with an attitude that says "anyone who owns this pair of mbl speakers has made it in life and enjoy the finer privileges of wealth". No different than owning a Ferrari even if one never drives it faster than 100km within a metro area.
Arguing about sonics and fidelity for this tier of product is like an LV owner trying to justify their handbag purchase at a craft show. There's simply no need to argue. The audiophile can either afford it, or they can't for many of these brands so long as the high-end company admits they're not making these devices to mainly achieve higher fidelity; just as an LV purse doesn't necessarily hold as much stuff as the lady who sells their products at the craft market.
Ethan Winer's stuff is great. Will have to watch the video more when I get back to North America. Currently enjoying the sights, sounds, foods in Budapest.
Yup, I saw many of Dan Brown's sites in the book while in Prague - mainly the Petrin Hill sites (tower, mirror maze, funicular currently closed), some downtown places, walked around the Four Seasons... Clearly he has taken artistic license to some extent but hey, it's fiction 😉. I stayed a bit out of downtown near the convention center which is what I was there to attend.
While "Noetic Science" is a great premise to talk about the mysteries of the universe and weaved into the plot of the book, I remain a "materialist" and the idea that consciousness, intellect, thought are products of the billions of cells and trillions of synapses. Experiences in working with individuals with neurological illnesses, brain damage, experimental and clinical treatments with the psychedelics have not shown me any different.
As usual, I'm totally open to seeing data otherwise! 🤔 The paranormal and even things like a form of UFO-belief in audio can be fun to think about!
Cheers! Enjoy the rest of the book!
Thanks for a fascinating article Arch. As a "HighEnd" guy, I agree with most of what you're saying. I have a pretty "high end" system:
ReplyDeleteMagico M3, Aurender N20 streamer, LampizatOr Atlantic DAC, Pass XP-12 preamp and X250.8 amp
The system sounds great but I know I can spend less money and still get great sound. I purposely bought the LampizatOr for the tube effect as the Magico can be "sharp" sounding so softening with the vacuum tube was welcome for me. I know that it's not the most accurate DAC by far. No problem affording it and some audio friends love the look of the tubes.
Something I feel has not been said and can be a sensitive topic is that many magazine reviewers don't seem like they could actually afford the products. For example you mentioned Fremer's "cluttered" room. His room is an eyesore and his articles and videos might look good to average audiophiles, the high-end guys will look at this and I think question whether this guy is actually speaking to them.
High-end audio companies need to review their marketing strategy. Are they actually selling any product based on these kinds of magazine reviews and these reviewers?
I like your idea for a COSC-like independent test lab.
HEAG
Hey HEAG, nice to see a "high-ender" in these parts!
DeleteI've heard a few systems over the years using LampizatOr DACs like at the audio shows. I can certainly appreciate the appeal some might prefer for the sound of the tubed DAC.
I appreciate your candor and recognition that good sound can be found (IMO quite easily) without spending a lot of money. Over the years of audio development, this should be self-evident now and those reviewers who keep claiming that ever-rising prices always lead to "better" sound or deny the existence of "diminishing returns" when it comes to quality (like this ridiculous article) just come across IMO as clearly unrealistic.
Whereas spokespersons for Rolex are celebrities, attractive guys/gals who are well-dressed and look cool, advertised in magazines like GQ/New Yorker, I agree that the reviewers we have in audiophilia for six-figure speakers, amps, and DACs do not look like they fit the part for people buying these items. Reviews conducted in small apartments, barns, basements likewise seem very much out of place for this class.
If high-end audio is about selling an image as much as hi-fi sound quality mere mortals can already buy, they're going to need to do a better job defining that!
I think a COSC-like organization to certify "high-fidelity" could be a neat idea. Just like mechanical wristwatches vs. quartz, one could set different standards for vinyl playback, digital, and basic standards for speakers, DACs, solid-state vs. tube amps, etc. No need for crazy-stringent objective standards even. For example a "hi-fi" full bandwidth speaker needs to be able to reproduce +/-3dB from 50Hz to 15kHz probably would sound very good already as an example of a reasonable standard. We can dream of other reasonable objectives like this for independent testing to at least ensure basic good sound quality for high-end buyers.
All the best!
A fine read, thank you. I particularly enjoyed the war between ISO and the watchmakers back in the day, and I think the analogy with watchmaking makes all sorts of sense.
ReplyDeleteI think (as a photographer) there is an analogy in the camera space; outfits like Leica, Hasselblad, and Phase One sell beautiful, idiosyncratic cameras that don't take better pictures, at absurd prices.
I guess that speakers will remain the last sub-sector where the big bucks can plausibly buy objectively better quality?
PS: Love the writing and the arguments. Don’t like the images that look like the output of GenAI, they really add nothing.
Thanks for the note and feedback Tim,
DeleteAppreciate the comment on the camera space. Years ago in the 2000's I spent a lot of time in the digital camera forums as the technology was developing in leaps and bounds. I remember by around 2010 looking into the Leica forums and not noticing much difference between those images compared to much more modest gear from the Canon, Nikon, and Pentax guys. Certainly by then, digital post-processing played a huge role. The larger sensor images at least back then (full-frame 35mm and medium format) looked phenomenal compared to the small sensors. Things have definitely improved with APS-C sensors in the last decade!
Yeah, spend bigger money on good speakers; not the electronics, for best bang-per-buck. Back in 2019, I suggested that it would be much more important to have a good room and speakers than anything else (hardware wise) and I still believe this is true. I've been disappointed by too many hotel rooms at audio shows and homes with poor room acoustics hosting excellent speakers to not remind everyone that it's almost meaningless what CD player, DAC, streamer, or amplifier is used if the room-speaker complex is poor. This is essential. Unless the room-speaker is sorted out, there's no point thinking one going to be able to differentiate an inexpensive TI TPA Class D chip amp and a Pass amp.
Yeah, the AI generated images are mainly just space holders between categories - it's the text and thoughts that are most important. 😉
Hi Arch, really enjoyed this article. I've often used the horological argument in debating with folks on various forums why $100 Dacs and $200 Class D amps can not only be the equal but the superior of multi-kilobuck components. At this point, I don't see how any rational person can argue that things like a $50k DAC or a $200 k tube amp can more accurately perform their intended function than a well designed product costing at most a few hundred dollars. There just too much evidence out there for this to be in dispute anymore.
ReplyDeleteWhich brings us to the idea that some of these expensive products are somehow Veblen goods--something that people will desire for their exclusivity, workmanship, and cachet. Something like a Hermes Birken bag, or a solid platinum Audemars Piquet Royal Oak, or a Ferrari GTB Daytona.
In that regard, I am, to say the least. skeptical. Truth is, most people are utterly oblivious of high end audio, let alone the niche comprising the ultra high dollar end. A pair of Wilson Audio Chronosonics costing over $750 k, will not be considered a status symbol even by billionaires. Frankly, most of those people have never heard of them and would probably consider such an expenditure on loudspeakers for a listening room an "odd" purchase. People who chase status with their purchases want to be in places where they can see and be seen, and status symbols for them are what you drive up in, and what you wear to public venues or high profile events, not what's at your house in your AV room.
That's why I think spending big bucks on audio is now misplaced. I don't see power amplifiers, Dacs, and loudspeakers as status symbols. Why pay more than you need to for such basic functions as amplification and DA conversion--especially when you know almost all those components will at best have a trade in value of 30 to 40 percent of what you paid for them? It just makes the most sense if you can find the equivalent of a Timex or Casio like audio component, and just buy it instead. Then if you think it looks kind of utilitarian or even ugly, why not put it in something like a very beautiful BDI cabinet and give your space, a clean, uncluttered minimalist look with all the boxes and wires well hidden. That way you will get the best performance, the best look in your living space, and pay for the thing most likely to hold its value (the cabinet).
Of course some people will want to opt for ultra high end components anyway. But they should do so knowing full well that it's just to satify an entirely personal preference, and that such a purchase is highly unlikely to ever become a collectable or Veblen good. So I guess, if someone thinks a speaker cable the thickness of an Anaconda running through their living space, suspended on a network of repurposed model railroad trestles, all of it costing tens of thousands of dollars is just the coolest thing ever, and that person has the spare cash to spend, by all means he should do whatever floats his boat.
As for me, I'll just buy the Octo DAC and the Purifi Amp, and the Smyth Realiser, and stick all those boxes in a chocolate walnut Bdi cabinet.
Wow, nice comment Phoenix,
DeleteI like your reference to the term "Veblen goods" - right on the money 😊 - I'll make sure to add that in the main text above with reference to this.
Clearly the (Ultra) High-End guys are hoping that their goods are able to be inducted into the high class, highly desirable tier of the consumer Zeitgeist. Luxury bags, sport cars, fashionable clothes, expensive jewelry, watches, and hi-fi gear when the public thinks about the "luxurious" life. Like you, I'm skeptical as well that 6-figure-priced audio gear could truly achieve this upper echelon. It's just not something that the consumer psychology naturally gravitates to as something most would desire.
Hmmm, I need to start looking at "investing" in some nice cabinets. 😉 Of course, I still think the primary investment for a high-end audiophile is a nice house with a good sound room that can maintain its value!
Clearly you've got it figured out with that excellent selection of hardware. Cheers!
Hi Arch, the Astronomical Clock in Prague is fabulous, we stood there for about an hour watching it at a Christmas market eating cinnamon thingies and drinking liquid chocolate,. As for watches, mine is an iPhone!
ReplyDeleteYeah Joe, a fascinating historical artifact!
DeleteWe were staring at it for a while, also enjoying some local pastries trying to figure out what the arms were (eventually we read that it's based on the old time scale where 24 was sunset).
Caught 2 of the "Walk of the Apostles" during our time in the old square. We also enjoyed the walk up the Old Town Hall tower.
iPhone eh? Yeah, that's pretty common these days.
Interestingly that I've noticed my business friends (investment bank guys, start-up entrepreneurs, advertising folks) all still wear pretty nice looking mechanical watches to work. It's part of the image which I suspect could be very important when dealing with clients. I think every Wilson, D'Agostino, Magico, Burmester, magical expensive audio cable advertising video should be presented by guys with Rolex on and suit if they want to be successful. 😉
Yes, like some of the flashy plaintiffs lawyers I battled in the Philly courts. It worked with city juries but not with the folks in the burbs. Have to know your audience!
ReplyDeleteIndeed Joe, gotta know the audience.
DeleteI just saw a condensed commercial of this Rolex video on BBC News earlier:
Rolex presents: Yannick Nézet-Séguin – The Modern Maestro
Imagine if that came from a high-end audiophile company. The maestro speaking about memories of his family's large hi-fi stereo system when growing up. Speaking convincingly about the power and beauty of music (especially classical music). Interviewed in his living room with beautiful speakers, top-end amps, streamer, and DAC in the background.
Now that would be classy and cool in an implied way as the best! Probably a much more powerful way to build desire than in relatively low-circulation, low impact audiophile magazines these days with many audiophiles skeptical about the sound quality, unhappy about price-value, rather than prioritizing luxury.
So true Arch. Being in Philly I have attended concerts and a rehearsal with the Philly Orchestra and have had the pleasure of meeting Yannick. He can be very intense, passionate and very detail oriented, which is what one would expect from someone at the top of his craft.
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