The company Museatex was formed around 1990 by Ed Meitner and John Wright based in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Over the years, the brand was assumed under A/D/S which eventually closed in 2001. There's still a web page for information on Museatex products here. Ed Meitner has moved on these days to EMM Labs since 1998 and given his work with SACD, his name has been associated with "bitstream" type technologies since (some more info/video).
By the end of the 1980's, 1-bit Philips "Bitstream" PDM DAC chips started to show up in the market with the Philips SAA 7321 chip as one of the 1st generation devices (see Stereophile reporting back in 1989). Some of these chips were incorporated in CD players like the Meridian 208 that came out in early 1990, well-reviewed by Paul Miller in High Fidelity.
By 1991, the "second generation" Philips SAA 7350 "bitstream" DAC became available, capable of taking up to 20-bit PCM (from 16-53kHz sample rate) and upsampling to 1-bit SDM applying 3rd order noise shaping (some more history here). It is this DAC chip that's at the heart of the Museatex Melior Bitstream DAC, I believe first released in 1992. Here are the specs from the company.
The exact history of this particular unit I had access to has been shrouded in the sands of time, but was probably purchased around 1995. The original suggested price on one of these was US$899 which would be about equivalent to over US$1500 in 2023. Even to this day, I've seen comments from audiophiles who have a special affinity to the sound of this vintage DAC. Claims to fame included anti-jitter input circuitry (supposedly reducing "glare and harshness"), a custom digital filter allowing for "more accurate signal conversion", and high quality power supply with line noise filtering.
Thanks again to my friend linnrd for digging this unit out from his audio device archives. While externally it looks to be in very good shape, unfortunately, it didn't quite power up normally for me which sadly resulted in this article being more of an "autopsy" rather than actual measurements. I guess having a look inside is still better than nothing for historical documentation if nothing else.
I've seen some pictures of this DAC online and some models look like they have natural colored wooden side panels. This one is painted a glossy black. As you can see in the picture above, there's a single "INPUT" button on the front and red LEDs light up when in use indicating samplerate (32/44.1/48kHz), a de-emphasis indicator, and whether S/PDIF Coaxial or TosLink input is being used.
Although it's obviously much larger as you can see in the image above compared to a modern Topping D10 Balanced or any USB dongle DAC (like the E1DA #9038D6K, as recently reviewed/measured), this is a nice looking, solid ~7lb box. There's what looks like a slab of glass at the top. The front has a matte finish plastic membrane very reminiscent of the old membrane keyboards of very early computers (like the Atari 400 or Timex Sinclair) with a single "INPUT" button to switch between the S/PDIF inputs.
I would bet if one did not know this was a DAC these days, some might wonder if it's a linear power supply or maybe an amp.
While I would have loved to measure this device, alas, although it turned on, audio output was sporadic and I was not able to confidently get usable results. After a few minutes, it looks like the power supply would give out.
As such, let's look inside and see what US$899 audiophile dollars would have bought back in the early '90s.
It came apart quite easily with just removal of a few screws. For orientation I indicated the front and back of the DAC. AC input enters from the rear and runs across the board to the front where the transformer/power supply section is located, leaving the DAC and output circuitry at the rear.
Here's a closer look at the transformer with markings for primary and secondary windings. These days we often see toroidal transformers for linear power supplies in "high end" audio devices, not so much back in the '90s.
As per the PCB silkscreen text, the board is designed in 1992 out in Calgary, Alberta. Museatex (Meitner) implemented the "C-Lock" circuitry back in those days to address poor jitter performance through the S/PDIF.
Here's the DAC portion. Note 2 pairs of pots presumably for fine tuning of the 2-channel outputs. We also see a pair of 8-pin AD845 op-amps for each channel. These op-amps have a reputation of running hot and some have recommended putting heatsinks on these. Modern DACs sometimes have socketed opamps for "rolling" which could (usually subtly) affect sound quality.
A closer look at the DAC chip and "C-Lock" circuitry. We've got a 20.000MHz crystal (no fancy OCXO part of course). There's the large square Philips SAA7350 DAC chip.
I would have loved to measure something like the J-Test on this to see how well that C-Lock worked.
Here's the large Yamaha YM3623B rectangular chip. This is the "digital interface receiver" (DIR) which decodes the S/PDIF digital stream, including detection and application of de-emphasis. Remember, these days it's better to use high quality software de-emphasis; unclear what the quality of this process would have been with old chips like this.
The Yamaha DIR is capable of 16-bits only although the Philips SAA7350 can accept up to 20-bit input. Here's an interesting DIY discussion about this Yamaha chip.
Historically, the YM3623 doesn't have a good reputation for jitter performance compared to the Crystal CS8412 in the early '90s. Perhaps this is even more reason why EMM needed to implement the C-Lock. I see that Stereophile measured the C-Lock performance and showed that it did improve temporal performance with the Meitner IDAT back in 1993.
Another important chip we see on the board is the Yamaha YM3434 just above the crystal. This performs the 8x oversampling using linear phase settings, with 18-bit precision. This part was released back in 1988.
As per the title of this post, this is just an "autopsy" unfortunately. As mentioned above, after a few minutes, the device seems to poop out going into some kind of shut down mode. I didn't see any bloated caps, electrolyte leak, burned resistors, nor blown fuses. I suspect the issue is with the power supply, possibly those old Nichicon electrolytic caps need replacing after ~30 years.
Perhaps in the days ahead, linnrd might want to "resurrect" this old DAC. If that happens, I'd certainly be happy to measure the performance of this "standard resolution" 16-bit, 44.1/48kHz DAC and especially have a look at that C-Lock jitter performance.
As a fun comparison, here's a look inside a modern <US$100 Topping D10s from 2021:
Not exactly the same feature set of course, plus this is USB-powered so no linear power supply. As a 24-bit hi-res DAC, the Topping D10s would perform significantly more accurately than the old Museatex at something like 1/15th the asking price when new.
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Over the years, I've measured older products like these '80s-early '90s CD players, this 1994 Laser Disc player, and even this old Sony PS1 as CD player also dating back to somewhere around 1994. To be honest, none of these old devices demonstrated significant jitter issues. I find it amazing how the audiophile press has obsessed over this word over the decades when it came to straight forward CD playback.
Articles about jitter back in the day from the likes of Stereophile like this one is simply referring to jitter over the digital S/PDIF interface. I don't think there was ever really a problem with single-box devices like CD players, so if you didn't use S/PDIF, don't worry! These days, asynchronous USB and ethernet transmission are typically excellent, jitter-free, with reputable products. Besides, even when present at moderate levels, I've discussed why I don't think jitter is generally audible.
Yeah, even though some people continued to raise all kinds of bother about the "importance" of jitter into the 21st Century, as if there are problems, I seriously hope that honest, educated audiophiles who have used their ears to listen will know by now that most of this had always been just hype and FUD.
Speaking of Meitner and jitter/temporal performance, I want to highlight this video from Doug Schneider of SoundStage! visiting EMM Labs:
"There's a widespread notion that adding a high‑quality master clock to a digital system will somehow magically improve its overall performance. While that might possibly have been the case in the very early days of semi‑pro digital converters where, frankly, some of the internal digital clock designs were pretty ropey, it certainly isn't the case today. As I've explained above — and will prove below — today's converter designs generally work best on their own internal clocks, and most will deliver a slightly poorer performance when clocked externally. The very best devices will show no change in performance at all, because they have superb clock-extraction circuitry that can remove all traces of clock jitter and other external clocking artifacts, so they work just as well as when running on their internal clock."
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Too bad you couldn't measure the unit! That would have been interesting too.
ReplyDeleteAs it happens I used to own Meitner's Museatex Bidat DAC back in the 90's when everyone was raving about it ('sounds analog!'). It came with it's own wired volume control (leading to a volume knob on a small wood block) and you could run it directly in to your amps bypassing preamps. That was my first experience bypassing a preamp - a tube preamp I owned at the time - and I still remember that extra clarity and purity to the sound with the tube pre-amp out of the system. Though even using the pre-amp I the Museatex Bidat DAC sounded different than the Meridian 508.20 CDP I also used at the time. It sounded a bit less focused, a bit "darker" less bright in tone, a bit more lush. To double check I did a couple of blind tests, randomized switching, and was easily able to tell between the Meitner Museatex Bidat and the Meridian CDP. Whether that was due to one or the other or both diverging from accuracy somewhere in their design I wouldn't know.
These days I use a Benchmark DAC2L and never feel like I have to think about DACS anymore.
As for Jay's blind test, as Jay himself admitted in the youtube comment section, even if the test method was sound, the results don't rise to full statistical significance in terms of establishing differences. They should have done more trials. But of course this was just enough for all the cable-believers to declare "See! Proven! Told you, skeptics!"
Cool Vaal,
DeleteYeah, would have been fun to check out the performance of one of these early sigma-delta "bitstream" DACs! Will keep an eye out if linnrd fixes this baby and give it a listen/measure.
I bet taking the tube pre-amp out of the chain changed the sound!
As for the cable-believers, I'm guessing it makes some feel good to see "evidence" like this for self-soothing. Maybe to justify whatever expense they put out. And of course salesmen and cable companies thank them for their service to the Industry!
My sense is that these days, most rational audiophiles recognize that good quality cables are important depending on the system we have and the length of wire we need. Spending say $100-200 for a good set of 12AWG or thicker, good looking, speaker cables can certainly be worth it and audible compared to whatever cheap 16AWG cable they used in the test.
I hope that the "cable believers" recognize that "cable deniers" are nuanced people who certainly believe speaker cables can sound different depending on their physical parameters... Nonetheless, there's no reason to think we "need" to spend something like >$500 on speaker cables unless we're buying them to exude luxury! ;-)
I don't have a multi-channel setup, but an Atmos HD version (unlike many others) is probably a good reason to get a remaster of DSOTM. Reports I've seen say that it's worthwhile and adds something to the enjoyment of the album.
ReplyDeleteHey Danny,
DeleteHope that's the case. Progressive rock albums like this where they've incorporated all kinds of sonic effects (like those clocks surrounding the listener in "Time") could sound really cool with positioning now over the head.
Could be really psychedelic! ;-)
"I see Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is getting exposure again this week with the Live In Wembley and 50th Anniversary Deluxe editions, the latter with an Atmos mix on BluRay. Hopefully dynamic range compression is not excessive in the remastering. I think I have enough versions of this old album (LP, CD, 2003 30th Anniversary hybrid SACD with multichannel, and 2010 Immersion) that I'll give this a pass; maybe just a listen to the Atmos mix at some point. Surely, there aren't many more ways to get consumers to buy yet another version of this 1973 album after this, is there!? After half a century, doubtful there's much sound quality to extract even if they went back to the master tapes!"
ReplyDeleteHi, Archimago
Yesterday I listened to this new 2023 remaster (stereo 2.0) and compared it to the 2021 Analogue Productions versions - it might sound a little better, but they are surely more similar than different.
As usual in these cases, very little information is provided (maybe more, if you buy the case and have the booklets?). The remaster was done by James Guthrie, but we don't know if it was done from the original tapes or from a digital (DSD?) copy of it - and if it was an analog remaster or a digital one. It reminds me of the many Blue Note HDTracks remaster releases around 2012/2013, where you needed to go to forums to actually get some info on it.
Your last point about the master tapes reminded me of something I wondered a while ago - not only do I agree with you (how much more info can you extract from any master tape after so many remasters) but also - in what condition are those tapes today? I have a few 80s cds from Blue Note classics that were made by Ron McMaster - and they only say "digital transfer". So, no remaster, just straight from the original tape to CD (not to confuse with some actual remasters the same Ron McMaster did later, in the 90s). Sometimes they sound better than current hd reamsters (24-192) of the same record, I wonder if maybe it's because the tape was 30 years younger?
Anyway, nice post as usual!
Thanks Jorge,
DeleteGood point specifically about the age of the tapes themselves. I touched a bit into this awhile back:
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2022/09/musings-regarding-mofigate-class-action.html
About the "idealization" of analogue audio. Those 50-year-old tapes clearly are not in the same shape as they were back in the 80s with the first digitization, or even 20 years ago for the 30th Anniversary SACD. As you say we don't even know the provenance of this remaster; for all we know, could just be using DSD copy like the 2003 version but tweaked and remixed for Atmos. I see the average is DR10 for this new version - at least they respected the dynamic range across the years.
Good to hear from your comparison that they didn't do anything bad!
"The remaster was done by James Guthrie, but we don't know if it was done from the original tapes or from a digital (DSD?) copy of it"
DeleteWhy would this make any difference?
And btw, 80d discs said 'digital transfer' because the whole 'remastering' craze had not yet kicked in. Strictly speaking, *any* CD issue of an analog source was a 'remaster', even the first ones in the 80s. Because all those albums had been mastered at least once before, for vinyl, of course. But 'remastering' came to mean, specifically, "we put it out already on CD, but here it is *again* with different source tape/EQ/compression/overall level" (sometimes all four of those things...or sometimes very little if anything)
Just another small comment
ReplyDelete"I recommend jumping to the latter half of the video (~4:35) where Meitner / Schneider is making an important point about the best-practice of keeping the clocking mechanism as close to the D-to-A conversion circuitry as possible for optimal temporal performance."
I remember seeing this video when it came out and to me it proved, once more, and against all audiophile myths, that USB is an excellent medium to use with a DAC - not only allows for very high sample rates but also allows the clock and the D-to-A to remain all inside the DAC. It goes strongly against the external clock/DDC/i2s crowd that runs the show these days :)
I remember seeing those comments back in the day against USB as well. Even these days, there's all kinds of unjustified complaints from various corners of the audiophile world.
DeleteI think audiophile companies want us to believe that they're "special". That somehow, a "universal" serial interface for computers isn't good for them and their level of so-called expertise. Just more of the Emperor Has No Clothes mentality within these self-proclaimed "high end" companies who believe one can (should) hear issues with USB.
I suppose nothing's perfect from the start... USB did need time to develop with the asynchronous protocol which became ubiquitous over the first decade, but by the early 2010's, this was achieved. And these days, with USB isolators becoming cheaper - I see that the Topping HS02 is out now. Even if one has a complex computer/USB system where there's demonstrable noise, it can be dealt with.
In return, we have the power of a full-duplex interface system that's highly compatible with mainstream computing technology, extensible with all kinds of sample rates, bit depths, number of channels, including DSD.
I don't understand the desire for I2S by some audiophiles (other than some sense of being "special" again). Unstandardized external interface with different pin-outs from different manufacturers. Typically, borrowing the HDMI connector in most devices these days. I suppose in a way there's a simplicity since it's similar to S/PDIF sending data from source to DAC unidirectionally with the benefit of a clock line even though jitter is well managed these days with S/PDIF on better DACs.
I'm sure I2S sounds great (as good as modern low-jitter USB ;-) and I've seen DSD1024 transmitted through this; not sure I'd ever need that though!
Couldn't agree more with everything you said! I would hope things would change, but I don't think they will - audiophiles love snake oil, it's part of their charm ;)
Delete8/10 is a p = 0.055. Not significant by the usual standard (p <0.05) . You'd think Danny would have got 10/10 if audible cable difference was as much a 'thing' as old Danny seems to believe.
ReplyDeleteTrue Steven,
DeleteAlthough 0.055 is still pretty good ;-).
You're right though, if Danny's cable is anything even approaching "good" speaker cables, why could he not even 100% blind-test that compared to a literally bottom-of-the-barrel 16AWG? Just tells us whatever he's hearing is subtle.
Show us he can blind test his cable with normal 12AWG OFC wire... Then it gets interesting! Otherwise, this is just click-bait akin to claiming he can taste the difference between McDonald's hamburger vs. medium-rare Wagyu 80% of the time. ;-)