A number of months back, I talked about the nVidia Shield TV Pro box and explored Auro-3D which is another technology for reproduction of immersive sound with height layers. As noted in that post, I've seen comments over time about the use of Auro-3D's "Auro-Matic" surround upmixing algorithm for music playback as being the preferred setting compared to Dolby Surround Upmixer [DSU], and DTS Neural:X being the other two common options in modern AV receivers. As a reminder, while Auro-3D could use object-oriented tools in production, it is delivered as channel-based playback rather than the hybrid channel/object systems like Dolby Atmos and DTS:X.
Having now owned my Integra DRX-8.4 for about a year and listening for myself, I concur that for 2.0 and 5.1 upmixing, I tend to prefer using Auro-Matic to expand the 3D image into the height and surround channels. For most music material, Auro's method is noticeably "fuller" in presentation without sounding harsh. It also has more options as we can see in the settings menu for Onkyo and Integra receivers that have this feature:
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Auro Settings section from Onkyo/Integra manual. |
For non-Auro encoded content, "Auro-Matic" will apply its DSP in whatever "Preset" you choose (Small / Medium / Large / Movie / Speech) at whatever "Strength" you want to apply from 0 (disabled) to 15 maximum. Default for Onkyo and Integra receivers is quite high at 12.
I must admit that the "Preset" is a bit nebulous and doesn't seem to be well-described in Auro's documentation. The easiest test I could think of doing was just to check whether these Presets affected the frequency response when playing back a single channel (mic at listener sweet spot, let's test the right channel):
As you can see, I've also included the dotted lines for Dolby Surround Upmixer (DSU) and DTS Neural:X both appearing almost identical across the spectrum. I've set the Dirac Live room correction target more or less following the Dolby Atmos Music Target Curve previously discussed. Clearly Auro-Matic has changed the frequency response of this single speaker, noticeably only in the bass frequencies. At Strength level 8, we see that Auto-Matic accentuates the bass up to around 150Hz. Whether I set it to Small, Large, Movie, etc. doesn't change the frequency response in any significant way. As such, we can assume then that these Presets are more likely affecting temporal characteristics like reverb, perhaps delay added to the height, center, rear channels when doing the upmixing.
We can see a hint of these temporal changes when we plot out the reverberation time:
In the graph above, I'm showing the Room EQ Wizard T30 results (a measure of RT60 or duration in milliseconds for sound energy to decrease by 60dB, calculated based on the slope of the Schroeder curve between -5dB and -35dB derived from the impulse response). Notice that Auro-Matic dissociates from DSU and Neural:X in the low frequencies significantly below 150Hz. We can see a nice correlation with "Large" adding more total reverb while "Small" least (shades of red). "Movie" setting is similar to "Large" (maybe a little less), and likewise "Medium" and "Speech" look similar. While I did not formally test the right height and bed speakers separately, my suspicion is that this is what's added to the height channel to create that subjective sense of space.
I've played with the Presets over the last year and generally have been happy with the default "Medium" setting in my room. Since it's only the bass frequencies affected, not all material will show a clear audible difference.
Strength 8 was enough to clearly accentuate the bass, let's take a look at how much bass is added as we vary the Strength from 0 up to maximum of 15:
I measured the frequency response starting from Strength 0 and even values except for level 15 (highest) and level 7 (dotted). Notice I put the cursor at 35Hz and 80dB SPL for reference. At the cursor's 35Hz, we can see the relative SPL levels of the curves in the legend at the bottom of the graph. This estimates the bass gain relative to the Dolby Surround Upmixer; lets round to the nearest 0.5dB):
Strength 0: 0dB Strength 2: +0.5dB Strength 4: +1dB
Strength 6: +2dB Strength 7: +2.5dB Strength 8: +3.5dB
Strength 10: +5.5dB Strength 12: +6.5dB Strength 14: +7.5dB
Strength 15: +8dB
While the bass boost is most obvious and audible, notice that across the higher spectrum, Auro-Matic does run a little louder than DSU - for example at 2.5kHz, Strength 15 adds about +2.5dB. I suspect what's happening is that as we increase the strength of the mix, the corresponding height speaker is louder and this adds to the total amplitude. When sitting in the listening position, as Strength increases, it sounds like the right speaker stretches upwards - spatially taller and a bit louder.
Therefore, let's run those calculations above but correct the bass gain by subtracting out the high frequency increase; let's subtract out the average of the gains at 1kHz and 4kHz, rounded to the nearest 0.5dB:
Auro-Matic corrected bass gain:
Strength 0: 0dB Strength 2: +0.5dB Strength 4: +0.5dB
Strength 6: +1.5dB Strength 7: +1.5dB Strength 8: +2dB
Strength 10: +3dB Strength 12: +3.5dB Strength 14: +4dB
Strength 15: +4dB
While I enjoy exciting bass, there's a limit for me of around +3dB which is the gain I found at Strength 10. I'll keep my Strength setting below 10 in typical listening.
Something I found interesting in Auro's whitepaper on Auro-Matic is this quote:
"Unlike most other upmixing technologies on the market, Auro-Matic® keeps the original channels of the input source intact instead of steering parts of it to particular speakers. The sophisticated adaptive processing rather places the original recording in a 3-dimensional environment that matches the acoustical properties of the recording, creating an immersive sound field that creates the impression of being in the same environment as where the recording was taking place."
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Notice the upper-mid accentuation in DTS Neural:X between 2-5kHz. Could sound a bit harsh depending on your system. Maybe it could balance out speakers with the "BBC Dip"? (I've touched on this in the past as well.) |
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Auro-3D: from data to playback. |
Summary...
[There was also a time when Dolby wanted to restrict upmixing choice which thankfully did not go far. If customers want to use a competitor's product more, then the company needs to innovate and make theirs better, not restrict freedom. All proprietary technologies IMO should respect consumer choice; this of course goes for Lenbrook/MQA as well regarding their ongoing obsession with making money off low tap-length minimum phase filtering as if audibly meaningful! See recent post on QRONO d2a and Spotify Lossless. 🤣]
[It should go without saying that listening for the differences between DSP upmixers and trying the different parameter within Auro-Matic is way more interesting than pretending that one can hear a difference between interconnects, power cables, various component footers, etc. Even digital streamers and decent "perceptibly perfect" DACs which I believe nobody would notice a difference in controlled blind listening. 😯]
Hi amigo.
ReplyDeleteI've been wondering how upmixing programmes work. It's interesting to know that upmixed mono audio will move most sound to the centre channel. Do you listen to mono music using the two front speakers, or only the single centre channel?
Good question Dan,
DeleteI'm sure there are various ways based on phase correlations, levels and isolation of instruments/vocals based on frequencies. Machine language neural models also employed in some of the more sophisticated ones.
In the pro audio world there are many plugins like Nugen Upmix, and Penteo that I've seen do the job well. Of course I don't expect DSU, Auro, Neural:X to be anywhere as sophisticated.
I'm a pro center speaker guy, so most of the time will listen with Auro using that center channel active. For something different, I'll have DSU Center Spread on so I can flip back and forth to hear the difference that makes.
Hi amigo,
DeleteI don't listen to mono music much. I've heard Cream and Jimi Hendrix's mono albums, but I prefer the stereo mixes.
Jimi Hendrix's album Electric Ladyland has a multi-channel remix, which I enjoy and recommend.
Hey Arch, thanks for the post on this. I was thinking about how much excess bass Auro was adding to my HT with Onkyo RZ70 I got recently as well so I'm happy that you created that graph at different levels! Turns out my listening impression similar to your recommendation and I keep the level at most at 9. That default level of 12 is way too high for my taste.
ReplyDeleteOn another topic, I will check out Darko Audio once awhile and noticed the website looks dead while YouTube still has his stuff? Anyone know what's that about?
Cool JScull (John, as I recall, right?),
DeleteI considered the TX-RZ70 as well. Looks like a well-built receiver! I suspect the processing is identical to my Integra so would recommend keeping below 10 for Auro-Matic strength unless you like the bass accentuation of course.
Hmm about Darko Audio, I see that message on the website about "The worst thing about this hobby is the people who deem any decision they would not make as ridiculous or 'snake oil' or having more money than sense."
Sounds like some kind of forum battle / comments gone bad!? 🤔 Maybe he got tired or found another job?
Regarding that message which I think he sees must be supportive of his position. Obviously there are both differences of opinions (eg. one audiophile might think DSP upmixing is the worse thing possible, and I could disagree, but we could still stay civil), and then there's clear "snake oil". I hope both subjective-leaning and objective-leaning audiophiles appreciate the difference, can respect the things which are truly subjective choice, and all audiophiles can agree and be critical of obvious snake oil in this hobby!
Hope nothing like major health issues...
At first I was thinking the site was hacked but didn't look that way with the quote. Maybe he's just having a hissy fit. Many of his videos sponsored by Auralic which I think went down so maybe no enough ad income to make it work. Yes it's John.
DeleteHi John. Yes Auralic is suffering with alot of uncertainty regarding the company. Read https://stereonet.com/news/auralic-ceases-trading-effective-immediately. Cheers Mike
DeleteI see the website is back. Hmmm, maybe it was just a hissy fit. :-]
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