Saturday, 20 September 2025

QUICKIES: Black aluminum alloy footers. Equipment racks. Center channel in music. Underwhelming Spotify Lossless. More Paul McGowan/PS Audio USB cable & jitter foolishness.


Hey guys and gals, not much time this week to test stuff but to start I thought I'd show some pictures of the black version of the inexpensive aluminum footers that were discussed last week.

I got these black-colored ones for my center channel, the Paradigm Signature C3 v.3 which is a 3-way, 4 speaker design that sits on my wood/glass component rack. (You can see other pictures of that component stand in my room article, or earlier when setting up the room.)

I picked the black ones since the center channel is sitting straight in front of me when watching movies, keeping it black will not add any color contrast to potentially distract from the show.


As in the previous post, I did some vibrometry measurements using my Google Pixel 8 with app but alas I have nothing to show! Unlike the tall, skinny floorstanding Signature S8 loudspeakers, while playing INXS' "Guns In The Sky" at +10dB above normal listening levels, I could not get the vibrometer app to register significant vibrations at normal gain whether I had the small stock footers or these black ones. Good to know then that my equipment rack and the 45lb center speaker are stable. As such, I consider the added footers more for esthetic reasons than functional; who knows, maybe they'll be more vibrationally resistant in an actual earthquake. ðŸ˜‰

Small GigaPlus 2.5GbE switch on the right side.

I know some companies talk about equipment racks contributing to the sound of the system. And there are whole articles talking about this. As usual, we can buy racks and shelves for a few hundred bucks (like this Monoprice, or this Salamander Designs) all the way to thousands of dollars from the likes of Critical Mass, or Artesania Audio. Absolutely nothing wrong with purchasing good quality furniture!

Not unexpectedly, given the lack of evidence, I'm just not sure about any dramatic claims that equipment racks will change the sound character of one's system unless we're looking at very cheap stuff that rattles when music is playing or your turntable sits higher on the top shelf and skips with room vibrations or maybe the rack just doesn't fit your needs in dimensions! Obviously upgrade if these are issues.

Since I'm putting these footers on my center channel, let's quickly talk about the center channel as well.

Recently, I wrote about quad recordings and I see that Stereophile also had an article lately. Nice to see the magazine taking time to discuss multichannel audio and appreciating the potential outside of some hardware product review.

As you know, quad is 4.0 (4 channels, ideally symmetrical front + rear speaker pairs, no subwoofer). This is totally fine, sounds great in many 1970's mixes, and I think given the simplicity of the 4-speaker arrangement, is easy for music producers to create for (argument presented in this video). If you're interested in the history, check out this recent presentation from Eugene Huo from July 2025:


As the video notes (~4:00), experiments with multichannel sound predated home commercialization of multichannel by many years - decades even - like Disney's Fantasia released in 1941 featuring its multichannel classical music score on "Fantasound". Notice that for each of the common Fantasound set-ups:


The arrangement of speakers always included a center front channel - the "screen speaker" - which in a theater setting helps anchor the dialogue to the visuals we're paying attention to.

In comparison, music lovers have been listening and hopefully enjoying "phantom center" forever since the dawn of consumer 2-channel stereo sound since the late 50's, early 60's. So long as we're sitting in the sweet spot, the soundstage can be very realistic with good high-fidelity when we employ well-balanced speakers in a good, ideally symmetrical, sound room.

Personally, I think having a center channel is a good thing. I very much enjoy hearing vocals anchored to the center of the soundstage when intended. For example, the 3-channel Analogue Productions mix on SACD of The Nat King Cole Story (1991), or Love Is The Thing (1957) beautifully situates Nat in the center of the soundstage creating a solid position where he's singing from even if I'm listening off center. Most multichannel classical recordings and soundtrack scores are also recorded with good use of the center channel - everything from the RCA Living Stereo 3-track recordings to modern releases like the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra recording of Holst: The Planets, Fraillon: Earth (2025) in Atmos/multichannel (reviewed at Stereophile recently).

Like sitting in an orchestra, live recordings by nature also can have naturally captured center content. For example the Talking Heads' Stop Making Sense (1984) whether as video or just streamed through "spatial audio" sounds great with a good, cleanly reproduced, center channel.

When we look at studio music productions these days, we see a mixture of whether the center channel is used. For example the multichannel version of George Michael's Songs From The Last Century (1999) features George's sweet vocals beautifully in that center speaker. Others like the recent Lady Gaga album Mayhem (2025) and Phil Collins' 2025 remix of No Jacket Required (1985) use the center to varying degrees for vocals and instruments. Some mixes like the the new Ed Sheeran Play (2025) doesn't even use the center at all except for the occasional object flying by. Likewise the Taj Mahal & Keb' Mo' album Room On The Porch (2025) doesn't use it even though I imagine it could be nice for the front spread with an acoustic/vocal album like this.

While as a hi-fi loving audiophile, I want the mix to take advantage of all the capabilities of the sound system (hence ignoring the center speaker seems unfortunate to me!), I can understand the arguments some have made. For example, center channels are often not as high quality as our front left-right speakers. They're often smaller, timbral matching can be off, might be placed sub-optimally (often too low), and measurements can suggest much to be desired (as discussed here); so if one has a poor center channel, it might actually sound better to not use it for hi-fi music and just have the decoder/receiver redirect the content to the other channels.

Another issue I've heard is that for binaural/stereo fold-down with headphones, the contents of the center channel might not sound as good when processed although I haven't seen definitive evidence of this. Here's an interesting video talking about why the center channel isn't used universally for various reasons including obvious ones like when the engineer is creating a multichannel remix using tracks with effects already "printed" into 2-channels only. See 4:50 in that video talking about the possibility of not sounding right in some situations with stereo or binaural fold-down. Presumably in time, with evolution of the DSP algorithms for binauralization, this should not be a major issue if it even is one currently in 2025.

Again, IMO, I would prefer that audio engineers use the center channel rather than ignoring its presence and resorting to a pure phantom center presentation since it's always available in standard 5.1 and 7.1 bed layouts. Let the end-user decide whether to turn it on/off based on their hardware so audio lovers with full multichannel systems can take full advantage of their hardware.

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In other news, the Most Underwhelming Audiophile Award of 2025 so far this year must go to Spotify for finally releasing their lossless streaming. After all these years of teasing us with this; remember this Billie Eilish and Finneas "unveil" in 2021?!

Despite their rivals Apple Music, Amazon, Tidal, Qobuz doing lossless hi-res typically up to 24/192 since at least 2021, finally, on September 10, in the latter half of 2025, Spotify Lossless for Premium subscribers rewards listeners with up to (... drum roll ...) 24-bits/44.1kHz streams! ðŸ¥±

Sure, lossless sounds good, as expected. And no, we don't have to be neurotic about samplerates since the difference between 44.1 or 48kHz and higher are not particularly audible. However, we can also argue that the lossy higher bitrate 320kbps Ogg Vorbis stream wasn't obviously audibly inferior to 24/44.1 lossless in nearly all situations anyway. So if we're going to go lossless, at some level, this implies that we're trying to be serious about the technical quality of the streams whether audible or not.

We know that Spotify accepts lossless 48+kHz sample rates so they already have that content in their library. If they don't have the network bandwidth to support lossless 88.2, 96kHz, and above at this time, that's fine I suppose. But it would have been nice to handle both the common 44.1kHz and 48kHz sample rates. And if one single sample rate had to be chosen, why not go with the higher 48kHz which is commonly supported in DAC hardware, and supported in Bluetooth codecs including SBC, aptX, and LDAC? The only one that doesn't is Apple's standard 256kbps AAC for Bluetooth although later generation hardware like the AirPods Max can go up to 48kHz - that's the direction they're heading. If we're going to be asynchronously resampling audio, why not upsample to 48kHz from 44.1kHz if we have to?
[It's unfortunate that for audio we have both 44.1 and 48kHz. Since the early days of video, 48kHz has been the standard as it's easily divisible by the 24fps film frame rate legacy standard from the late 1920's. Base-48kHz has been by far the digital audio norm in video distribution since the early days of Laserdiscs with 384kbps AC3 soundtracks to DVDs and HDTVs; obviously remaining the dominant samplerate with modern Blurays and UHD streaming content. Dolby Atmos as the main immersive format these days is currently universally distributed at 48kHz samplerate.]
The non-integer 44.1kHz originated as a common denominator for PAL and NTSC VCR equipment with Sony championing this samplerate when they introduced the Sony PCM-1600 "PCM adaptor" to get the digital audio data onto higher bandwidth VCR tapes (typically old U-matic and Betamax). The technology got released commercially in 1979 but there were professional models as early as 1977. A bit of a shame I think that CD Audio, as the brainchild of Sony and Philips then stuck with that fractional 44.1kHz number.

In the music world, Decca Records standardized on 48kHz as far back as 1978 with their Decca Digital Audio Recorder. By 1987, Sony's Digital Audio Tape (DAT) standard replaced those clunky VCR recorders and were able to capture at the higher 48kHz which became the de facto high quality professional audio standard. While 44.1kHz was supported by the DAT specs, for a time, they were paranoid about piracy from CDs so a number of less expensive / consumer-level DATs skipped 44.1kHz recording but could still do 48kHz such as the US$2,000 Sony DTC-1000ES in 1987 (also see SCMS copy protection scheme which affected DATs). The bottom line is that there has been a lot of music sourced in 48kHz for decades now. The difference between 44.1 and 48kHz obviously isn't large, 4kHz samplerate = 2kHz of extra audio bandwidth may not be audibly significant with good DACs, but it's still extra bandwidth over 20kHz for more graceful filter roll-off.
[There's a lot of detail here I'm obviously skipping - see here for more on the evolution of digital recording.]
Beyond the just 44.1kHz limit, there's still no multichannel/Atmos streaming in Spotify - again, disappointing that the streamer with the largest user base simply isn't even trying to do anything to advance sound quality. To be clear, I have no animosity towards the company since I have a subscription and my kids use Spotify mostly. However, minimal meaningful change like this cannot elicit much excitement among hi-fi subscribers after all these years.

Wake me up when they're serious about lossless native master resolutions and introduce Spatial content. 😴

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Finally, I see that Paul McGowan continues to misinform audiophiles so they worry about USB cables with DACs - in September 2025 even!


Oh boy, haven't we stopped worrying about USB cables since something like 2013? And recognized that asynchronous USB is one of the least jittery ways to achieve DAC playback? Good USB DACs easily isolate themselves from whatever noise he's worried about (maybe his PS Audio/Ted Smith stuff is crap and can't do that?). Since when has putting a USB hub in the chain helped to any significant degree? He claims "it helps a lot" - what utter nonsense!

What I see here is simply Paul McGowan, an old man who cannot update his knowledge/awareness, using apocryphal stories of old, shamefully promoting mistruths year after year, generation after generation. A manufacturer fomenting audio myths as a tool to sell questionable goods for themselves and buddies like AudioQuest. This is seriously low quality content, and an example of what's wrong with manufacturers in this industry.

And I also see he's still trying to summon the jitter boogeyman a few days ago:


Notice he doesn't even answer the heart of the question - "What does it sound like when jitter is present?". Rather, he's literally trying to explain by handwaving that everyone should be concerned! What sad videos that not only do not provide answers, but seemingly are designed to just make audiophiles feel more concerned over literally nothing, sigh... (As usual, don't worry about jitter unless you have a very crappy DAC these days.)

With that, don't let the snake oil salesmen get ya (down); they too have to eat I suppose, just don't feed them. 😉 I see in the comments section to the videos that many are informed and can see through McGowan's foolishness.

I hope you're all enjoying the music, dear audiophiles!

Heading off to Central Europe shortly - Prague, Budapest, and Vienna - for work/vacation time. Enjoy the fall everyone. Cheers! 🙂

26 comments:

  1. Hi Arch, lots of interesting discussion on this thread. It's a shame Spotify Premium is dragging it's feet on a full Hi-res rollout. With their library and selection algorithm, they would undoubtedly be my preferred source if they fully delivered on hi-res music. As it is, I am sticking with Tidal because it offers the hi-res recordings, including select titles in Atmos which I can listen to natively over my Smyth A16 Realizer feeding my HD 800's. I do use Spotify free to suggest new titles. That way I get most of the best of both worlds.

    Paul McGowan, where do we even begin. I'm old enough to remember when he founded PS Audio with Stan Warren in the late 1970's. Back then, they offered a high value preamp with moving coil step that competed successfully with the far more expensive Mark Levinson gear. That was back in the day when he was trying to provide real value for music lovers. Now we have this kindly old grandfather trying to convince you a $500 USB cable or an $800 power cord will make the clouds part. Sad and pathetic. Hope too many people are not taken in.

    Finally, center channel. I have taken the center from an old KEF egg system, the HTC 3001 SE, added an Aiyima A07 power amp, and given my LS 50 Meta/SVS SB 2000 based system, 5.2 capability. The speaker cost me $125 on EBay, and the amp $70 at Amazon. It seems to blend very convincingly and allows me a small home theater system in my little listening room, all for l.t. $200. So maybe the takeaway here is when you upgrade, to find uses for some of the older equipment. My OG LS 50's are now surrounds while the newer Metas are the L/R in that system. It sometimes possible to manage costs by finding a use for those old speakers, laptop, dac, and possibly get great sound, more capability and save a tidy sum as well.

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    1. Hey Phoenix,
      Nice hearing from you. Yeah, if Spotify offered everything Apple Music does, I'd exclusively shift over to Spotify Premium. Don't feel like I can quite do that.

      Good to hear that at one time the PS Audio product was competitive and provided value compared to other more expensive stuff. '70s was a long time ago and I would have been in elementary school... In my time in audiophilia, I'm not sure what value-oriented PS Audio has made that might have moved the needle; maybe the little Sprout integrated amp?

      $$$ USB cables needed, $$$ power cables, scary jitter, hyped DSD sound, horrific "noise" from computers, etc. Apparently in Paul's mind these things are always true/problematic and nothing ever changes.

      Nice job on the center channel and getting it to integrate into your KEF system! Enjoy the benefits of having an actual centrally placed sound source!

      These days, I find myself listening to 2-channel stereo through Auro-Matic (Medium size, Strength 6) or Dolby Surround upmixing to my 5.2.4 system more than direct 2-channel front speakers. The algorithms do an excellent job of using the center and fronts.

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    2. When I watch movies with headphone through my Smyth A16, in addition to emulating speakers, it has Auro 3d, and I use it upcovert the Netflix, Prime, Shudder, Apple+, and Hulu 5.1 sountracks to an Auro 3D layout. I find it adds a great deal more bass than I get with say Atmos renderings, but I just dial that down a bit and it works really well to give me that fully immersive experience. I don't use Auro to upconver my two channel listening over headphones, but there's no reason why I couldn't, so I may give it a try.

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    3. Cool man with the Smyth A16!

      Auro-3D/Auro-Matic does tend to accentuate bass so make sure to turn down the Strength/Level to 5 or 6 and have a listen. My Integra defaults a bit high, I think it was 9 or 10.

      A 2-channel recommendation: try the track "I Lied To You" on the Sinners soundtrack. Sounds amazing with Auro upmixing in my room! Very cool soundtrack and movie if you like this kind of action/horror/vampires... :-)

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  2. You are right, Paul is guilty of some audio sins, I also regard the jitter question to be a bogeyman, and I have always had good results from cheap usb cables connections from PC to DAC. On the other hand Paul does offer some advice which is worth listening to. For example his series of lunchtime chats with PS Audio's speaker designer, Chris Brunhaver, were technical, but very enlightening.

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    1. Cool Martin,
      I had a look at a couple of the Chris Brunhaver videos. Good stuff about speaker tech like on beryllium, passive speaker time alignment... Definitely different kind of content that's much more down-to-earth without the Paul McGowan woo-woo hype. Will keep an eye on Chris' videos ahead!

      As for PC-DAC USB cables, yeah, inexpensive USB2-compliant wires will do the job. Just avoid an old USB1 cable like this from 2001 obviously. 😲

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  3. Hej Arch, Nice collection of audio related interests. Regarding Spotify there is currently alot of debate about the ethics surrounding Spotify and espcially Daniel Ek, the CEO, who has recently invested alot of money in weapons tech.Also the abundance of AI generated music included probably to save costs. Several artists have withdrawn their music notably King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard.
    https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/07/30/we-dont-want-our-music-killing-people-artists-revolt-against-spotify-over-ai-warfare-ties
    Enjoy your European tour!
    Cheers Mike

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    1. Hey Mike,
      Thanks for the info about Ek. No surprise about the ethics around billionaires and how they invest. But yeah, "AI military" are two words which I think we should be concerned about when put together and potential negative consequences of such "investment" opportunities.

      Good to see that some artists like King Gizzard & Lizard Wizard, and I see Massive Attack also standing their ground on this.

      As for AI-generated music, yeah, no doubt this was inevitable. AI will be a threat to both audio and visual artists and Spotify it looks could care less and maybe even actively creating this stuff if it also means they get to keep more of the money rather than paying out to real human artists.

      Perhaps there will come a time when we will need to search our conscience and as subscribers no longer accept the corporate greed.

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  4. I called out McGowan, and others like him, for fraud on a certain forum and banned for it. Of course, it annoyed me a bit, but it wasn't a forum I frequented very much to begin with. So, no real loss for me.

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    1. Hey Art,
      No surprise that some forums would do such a thing. Might be bad for their business model to have guys like your calling out the industry they might get a cut (advertising?) from!

      Indeed, no big deal I trust. If basic truths cannot be spoken of when it's so obvious in the case of many McGowan videos, then there's something wrong with such a place.

      BTW, the YouTube algorithm earlier today fed me another of McGowan's videos this time "Why power cables matter".

      Oh my, right from the start he says "Let's think about it like water..." and then he builds on that analogy. Folks, AC power is NOT like the water utility! It's not like you turn on a hose and all this stuff (water) comes pouring out and the last 6 feet of your power cable has some super-duper Brita filter that's going to remove dirt, chemicals, toxins to make sure water tasting good!

      No. The electrons flow back and forth, cycling 50/60Hz (100/120Hz directional change) through these "pipes". What benefit would very expensive wires provide if that's the dynamics of the system?

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  5. I notice the article by Paul Wilson that you linked claims, "Circuit boards vibrate, and that mechanical energy may be converted to electrical energy and passed along with the audio signal, which ultimately becomes distortion." We're all used to the fact that most such statements are just stuff that a salesman sucked out of his thumb, but I wonder if there's *any* genuine evidence for this.

    The best I could find from a casual search was this sales article from a company promoting its circuit board design tool: https://blog.3ds.com/brands/simulia/pcb-vibrations-affecting-sensors-high-tech-devices/ "If these vibrations interact with a mechanical resonance of the printed circuit board (PCB), the entire board can vibrate." Of course they go on to note that, "These vibrations are unlikely to be heard audibly" but do point to the way transformers can (audibly) hum as a result of magnetostriction.

    It's the sort of thing that should be easy to test: measure an amp's performance when it's sitting on top of a washing machine on a spin cycle :). I wonder if anyone's done this sort of thing.

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    1. Good question Charles,
      I haven't seen any tests of vibrating amps or DACs personally. There is some truth in that if we're thinking about microphonic tubes though, here's a nice example of a tube guitar amp ringing when the guy taps on the tube.

      As for solid state, well, maybe, but the question then is what magnitude and whether the effect is strong enough for us to hear. I go jogging all the time with my phone or music player and I guess all that movement doesn't seem to affect the sound too appreciably at least. 😉

      If anyone sees any measurements/tests of solid state playback (like hi-res DACs), let us know!

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  6. Hi amigo,

    We live in a very interesting time. We have amazing digital audio and video recording capabilities, but there are still lots of people who stick with analogue 24fps cameras—even for possible multi-billion-dollar films. Avengers comes to mind. They claim that 120fps is too “video game-like.”

    This attitude seems like self-harm. Why would any filmmaker unnecessarily limit their creative possibilities? It is, quite simply, ludicrously bizarre.

    I think it’s a thoughtless reaction to something new. Once one gets over this, it’s easy to see the advantages of using the best of today’s technologies.

    I feel like I’ve “won” with heavy metal bands. I have lots of fantastic albums, mixed very well without overly heavy compression. But of course, for reasons beyond my understanding some will always say—to paraphrase a band—we like heavy compression, and it’s your subjective opinion. Bin it before sending the feedback next time.

    Perhaps it really is just as simple as enjoying crushed sound and juddering, blurry 24fps. Humanity, after all, has a talent for clinging to limitations and calling it tradition. Some will never learn. At least everyone can wallow in the dwellings of their own stubbornness and nostalgia—with pride, accolades, but maybe it’s all some grand meta piss-take.

    My recommendations are: Buried Realm by Buried Realm, Decades by Dead Summer Society, and The Silence That Binds Us by Falling Leaves.

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    1. Glad you're finding more less-compressed metal Dan!
      Let's hope that over time consumers learn to appreciate more realistic recordings and video reproductions that modern technology can already provide. 🙄

      Patience necessary of course so I wouldn't hold my breath or enjoy what I can until hopefully the shift gradually comes to pass! Good to remind the musicians and film makers to experiment with higher resolution technologies.

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    2. Hi amigo,

      I’m not very good at being patient. When a 2017, 24 fps analogue film like Dunkirk is winning awards — one of them Best Sound Mixing — with the knowledge of knowing director refused to create a Dolby Atmos mix capable of 120 individual channels because only five channels fit on analogue film.

      Dunkirk hasn’t done anything new to progress filmmaking, and yet it has been awarded over 60 awards. many of which were won in a grand mass spectacle, watched by thousands. That is enough for me to lose hope.

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  7. Sad about Spotify. There's more to this story, maybe. Qobuz sounds better to me than Spotify on my big audiophile home system, but also in my car and boat, both of which have better-than-average but not really “audiophile”-quality systems. I'm not convinced that the bandwidth difference should be audible on those systems, so I wonder if Qobuz is doing something else.

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    1. Hey Tim,
      Yeah don't know about the exact differences. One thought I have is whether volume normalization might be affecting the sound assuming that both services are streaming the same lossless master?

      So if we choose a 16/44.1 same-master album on Spotify and Qobuz; making sure that we turn volume normalization off for both, and then recording the audio for A/B comparison from the same DAC at 100% output level using the same ADC, would they sound the same?

      Maybe someone with accounts to the major streamers might want to give this a try with an album that should be easily available with good quality - Dire Straits' Brothers In Arms perhaps?

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  8. Hi Archimago,

    Thank you for providing the examples of the center channel use in actual music albums! I have also checked that video by Alex, and noted the "center channel sounds weird" point" I think, this is not because he is thinking about those smaller, slightly mismatched center speakers in home theater setups. After all, in studios multichannel setups are always built using the same speaker model (at least, for the horizontal plane where LCR channels sit). I think, the primary reason of the different sound when using hard center is due to absence of comb filtering when the sound comes from one speaker only. Actually, it's a known problem in speaker-based VR—if some sound is playing from one speaker only, and then it starts moving and gets rendered by 2 or 3 speakers instead, it immediately changes its tonality because the sound becomes comb-filtered. This is the same phenomenon as the "fatal flaw of stereo" (as. F. Toole calls it) for the phantom center. The approach that VR uses is to always use at least 2 speakers for each virtual source. This way, when they are amplitude panned between speakers, the tonality does not change that much.

    I noticed that most upmixing processors never use the "hard center" in profiles geared towards music, at least. Actually, the Auro upmixer used the center channel much less than upmixers from other companies—it seem to always keep it at least 10 dB lower than left and right channels.

    That's why my personal thinking is that hard panning the "central" instrument or the vocalist into the center channel for is somewhat non-conventional. If we follow this path closely, then we should also resurrect the practice from the early days of stereo of hard-panning instruments into the left or right speaker only—this way, we will get the maximum fidelity—no comb filtering! Unfortunately, there isn't enough speakers for big ensembles :) Although our favorite Paul McGowan explores this idea even further by suggesting that we should actually use a speaker per instrument, locating them at the actual instrument positions: https://youtu.be/ZTjNSmc28ew?si=GtTgwpv6MM8hluqX

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    1. Hey Mikhail,
      Fascinating discussion about comb-filtering and the audible effects as well as the approach in VR.

      I assume for Auro-3D upmixing, you're referring to taking a 2-channel source and running it through, noting that Auro isn't pushing as much of the center content into the center speaker, right?

      I've been parsing through the Auro-Matic text and I see this:
      "Unlike most other upmixing technologies on the market, Auro-Matic® keeps the original channels of the input source intact instead of steering parts of it to particular speakers. The sophisticated adaptive processing rather places the original recording in a 3-dimensional environment that matches the acoustical properties of the recording, creating an immersive sound field that creates the impression of being in the same environment as where the recording was taking place."

      That part in bold looks interesting. So I assume then this means Auro will just leave the original content the same and then supplement with the other speakers to fill in or extract/emphasize what it considers height and surround information? That could be why the center channel isn't used much with Auro since it knows that the unaltered front channels already are strong enough to create that phantom center? If however we were to send a 5.1 signal, then the center should be stronger, reflecting the original material and the engine will mainly just add signal to the height channels to emulate the 3D field.

      Now as for our friend McGowan's idea, well, for that symphony orchestra of 50 instruments-50 speakers, I better make sure I acquire a full concert hall to place those speakers properly; otherwise it won't sound anything like what the artist intended! 🤣

      Anyhow, I believe that the original question was more about recording individual instruments as sonic objects and reproducing through multichannel arrays as discussed in this video for example than how Paul responded with individual speakers place in specific room locations! If that's his dream, then maybe he should ditch the Octave Records DSD hype and try doing some TrueHD-Atmos mastering; plenty of objects to play with and potential to reproduce with up to 24.1.10 in a SOTA theater! 🤔

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    2. Correct. I have found Auro to be the most conservative in "extraction" of instruments that are panned to the center. And this is sort of confirmed by their rosy sounding description.

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    3. Hey Mikhail,
      I've been looking in to Auro a little bit more this past week. Hopefully will publish on it this weekend. It's interesting getting an idea of the bass accentuation and comparison with Dolby Surround Upmixer and DTS Neural:X! More to come. :-)

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    4. Thank you! Will be interesting to read. I have noticed that on my Marantz AVR, Dolby Surround uses high-pass filter at about 200 Hz for the center channel when upmixing from stereo, while Auro and DTS Neural:X do not.

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    5. Hi Mikhail,

      The Dolby Surround upmixer having a high-pass filter at 200 Hz on the centre channel seems odd to me. Do you know why it might do this?

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    6. Hi Mikhail,
      Not seeing a 200Hz high-pass with the Integra upmixing with DSU. I'm using Dirac Live, and setting my center channel crossover at 70Hz.

      BTW, double check if you're using Center Spread. Does that make a difference?

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    7. Thanks for suggestions! Yes, there are two options related to center, one is "Center Spread" specifically for Dolby Surround, and another is universal "Center Speaker Size" (https://manuals.marantz.com/AV7704/EU/EN/GFNFSYcrpfrlsu.php) which I definitely set to "Large". I don't remember what did I set for "Center Spread" though, I can experiment with that.

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    8. Yeah, definitely have a look at the "Center Spread" setting. If you set your center speaker to "Large" and turn OFF "Center Spread" (in the Surround Parameters submenu), you better not be seeing a 200Hz high pass when using DSU!

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