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Monday, 25 February 2013
MEASUREMENTS: Logitech Squeezebox Transporter [Updated June 26, 2013]
It's Squeezebox Transporter time!
In order to do the measurements, I brought the gear downstairs to the basement which is an electrically quieter environment. There's a Belkin PureAV PF60 power center there for all the equipment. Also, the measuring computer is now the AMD Phenom X4 laptop with Win 8 usually used by my kids :-). The laptop was running on battery - I could detect a 0.5dB difference with the AC adaptor plugged in down at the -110dB noise level.
One note about the XLR measurements you'll notice - the THD levels are a bit higher than RCA. I believe this is a result of the fact that the E-Mu 0404USB could not handle the XLR voltage from the Transporter and I had to use the analogue attenuators to (just barely!) avoid clipping.
Lets start with the 44kHz signal:
Undoubtedly, the XLR output is significantly better than RCA. One observation is that through the RCA's, the stereo crosstalk remained around -90dB whether the signal was 16 or 24-bits. I'm not sure if this is the limit of the Transporter itself, or has to do with the cables I used - a pair of AudioQuest 6' interconnects. I don't remember which model of AudioQuests these were (bought a few years ago in a moment of weakness :-) but they are longer than the 3' I had been using to measure upstairs.
Now for 24/96:
Again, we see the -90dB stereo crosstalk limit with the RCA output. XLR's measure is fantastic! Likely hitting the performance limits of the E-MU 0404USB and ~3dB better than the Essence One (of course the E1 did not have the benefits of a power filter or low noise environment of the laptop running on battery).
The WiFi router was in the same room as the Transporter hence the 90+% wireless strength. No difference in the measurements whether WiFi or ethernet.
To show in graph form the difference in noise floor between the RCA and XLR:
Notice the noise spikes like at 60Hz using the RCA cable (the AQ construction seems to be shielded but can't confirm unless I cut it open!).
1. Overall the Transporter measures well! Phenomenal XLR performance - best I have been able to measure so far; >19-bit dynamic range.
2. A bit unclear about that stereo crosstalk measurement with RCA however. A bit higher than I'd have expected. Might need to try a different cable and see... (In case anyone wondering, I have not opened up the Transporter to change the unbalanced volume attenuation.) --- SEE ADDENDUM: I believe it's the cable!
ADDENDUM - (Cables do make a difference :-)
Further exploration of the stereo crosstalk issue shows that it likely was the cable afterall! I switched the analogue out from the AudioQuest (can't confirm but the cable looks like the current "Yosemite" model on their web page) to a pair of old 6' Tributaries interconnects (probably 50% the cost). As seen below the Tributaries improved stereo crosstalk by ~2.5dB:
Here's how the graph looks (AQ [white] vs. Tributaries):
Furthermore we're starting to see that 24-bit audio is starting to show better separation compared to the 16-bit data with the Tributaries suggesting that the cable was the limiting factor! I expect a good 3' cable would improvement the measurement even further. At this point then, I believe the Transporter's RCA stereo crosstalk is just fine.
Interesting that the more expensive AudioQuest measured worse than the Tributaries in this setup. As a result of this, I'm going to demote the AQ's to my CD player - something I would never know to do unless I ran this objective test.
Before I leave the Transporter alone... I wanted to see if turning on the TosLink effects loop affected measurements. Normally, I have the Transporter --> TosLink --> Behringer DEQ2496 (room EQ) --> TosLink --> Transporter as DAC, so it'd be nice to know that the DEQ in digital mode doesn't affect the final sound (tested at 24/96).
With the DEQ2496 on bypass mode (ie. no room EQ processing):
Using the Tributaries RCA cable as output, no difference whether the DEQ2496 was digitally in line or not. Note that I used rather generic TosLinks - well constructed relatively thick plastic optical cables bought on sale for $10 each. Alas, by this time I had disconnected the XLR's and I didn't care to disrupt the Transporter setup again :-)
Transporter Jitter measurements (Dunn J-Test 24/48, XLR):
Direct from the analogue output, this looks good! The usual beautiful Transporter jitter plot. The 6 tiny spikes/sidebands are estimated as <300ps total (I think Stereophile measured 230-270ps) - nice corroboration!
Now what happens with the DEQ2496 in line (remember, the digital data is now going through 2 TosLink cables as described above)?
Since I can just turn the digital loop on and off, I can do instantaneous A-B'ing of the sound. Even in this condition, I cannot say the clearly increased jitter is at all noticeable. What can I say, even knowing this I'm just fine with keeping the DEQ2496 in line and use the room EQ function since *that* is audible! At least now I can say I've done an A-B test examining the effect of 2ns jitter for myself.
Addendum: Feb 27, 2013
Thanks to slimdevices forum member "tpaxadpom" who measured the digital output with the AP2722 unit:
AES/EBU 377.3-424.5 ps
SPDIF RCA 566 ps
SPDIF BNC 283-330.2 ps (rca cable with 2 bnc adapters yielded the same results)
Toslink 1.462 - 4.103 ns depending on the cable used. I've tested 4 or 5 different toslink cables.
Looks like the Transporter's BNC connection is the winner followed by AES/EBU. TosLink worst for jitter not surprisingly.
Addendum: March 6, 2013
Got some AES/EBU digital cables - here are the measurements.
Addendum: June 26, 2013
As part of the transport measurements, I decided to have a closer look at the Transporter. Here's some more data to consider:
Impulse response (16/44):
When you set to "slow" roll-off, look what happens:
The "big board" RightMark summary - all based on RCA analogue output:
This is what 24-bit buys you in terms of noise floor - remember this is with RCA output, expected to be even better with the XLR:
At 24/96, the filters are still quite different, but inaudible difference for anyone but cats, dogs and machines :-):
RCA analogue output Dunn J-Test:
Summary: I remain very impressed with the Transporter. Kudos to Sean Adams and the Slimdevices team back in the day. Technically a beautifully designed machine and it remains my primary digital front end in the listen room. I was a bit surprised by the slope of the slow roll-off - much more than I thought!
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...wanted to let you know I sure appreciated your analysis and commentary. I used a similar setup to yours for years: Transporter -> Behringer DEQ2496 -> Transporter. AES for the loop. I recently modified my setup, feeding s/pdif directly to a NAD M2. The Behringer is now in loop using the M2 (using, ironically, optical).
Nice setup Thomas!Delete
Wonder if you've done an A-B comparison of the M2-Behringer loop comparing the M2 direct vs. M2-Behringer with Behringer on bypass. As noted in my later Transporter-Behringer AES/EBU post, there was a measurable decrease in jitter compared to TosLink. I never could hear the difference however.
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I have a question for you, if I may: I have the opportunity to acquire a device that has been in my wish list for a long time: a Logitech Transporter in prime condition. However, technology seems to have moved on since this mythical device was launched and I wonder how it compares (in sound quality) to today’s gear. I read somewhere that even a Raspberry with a HifiBerry Dac + Pro HAT (like your project elsewhere in this blog) sounds better. Would you be kind enough to comment on this?
Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide.
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I bought the Transporter a few years ago, out of sheer curiosity...I read a lot of posts saying how much better it was over the SB Touch so I wanted to see (or hear) for myself. I really didn't want to keep the unit long term as I preferred the smaller profile and GUI of the Touch. After just five minutes of listening to the Transporter I knew I would be keeping it. Without getting into details, it wasn't just a little better, it was a lot better.
Lately I've found myself listening to music in front of my PC so I thought I would ditch the Transporter in favor of a USB DAC. So I bought the Topping D50. Once again I was hoping the Transporter would lose against the D50. Nope. I would say the D50 was a little better than the Touch I used to have but not against the Transporter. Why? I haven't a clue. The D50 measurements are top-notch.
There's only one other DAC in my sights that I might try and that is the RME ADI-2 DAC. Otherwise I'm going to call it quits and keep the Transporter for the foreseeable future.
Thanks for your very useful feedback, Jeff.Delete
May I ask: do you find any limitations with the Transporter being unable to handle 24 bit/192kHz files?
Thanks again and kind regards,
I personally can't hear the difference between 24/96 and 24/192 so it's not an issue for me. :)Delete
Thanks again, Jeff. After reading your reply, I run some tests and it seems that I can't hear it either! :)Delete