Saturday 26 June 2021

MEASUREMENTS: 1MORE Triple Driver Over-Ear Headphones (H1707) with wired remote & microphone. And on Galen Gareis / Iconoclast Cables interview recently.

Alright folks, on the test bench this week is the 1MORE Triple Driver Over-Ear Headphones (let's just shorten name to 3DOE). If you've seen this headphone over the years (released around Christmas time 2018), you'll probably know that we need to clarify a couple of things.

First, they're not actually "over-ear" as in truly "circumaural" headphones. The earpads/cups are not big and unless you really have small pinnae, will sit "partially circumaural" with portions against the pinnae like supraaural designs.

Secondly, it's more of a "dual" driver design rather than "triple". There are 2 active drivers - a graphene-coated 36mm mylar dynamic driver, and a 10mm ceramic/piezoelectric driver for treble. The third "driver" is the passive "bass reflector", much like speaker passive radiators but inside a closed headphone reinforcing a certain amount of bass response.

The silver model like the one I have here is the graphene-coated version. There is also a gold-colored version out there which is a titanium driver without the graphene layer. I've seen comments that the sound is similar between the two versions. This one was bought through the regular Amazon retail channel (on sale for <US$150) and as far as I can tell, is the current model with an inline remote control plus microphone good for use with your smartphone.

Here's a look at the open box with contents:


Note the nice looking box design. There's a convenient plastic carrying case with the headphones nicely folded inside. Older packages had a carry bag which appears to be no longer included - no big loss since a bag isn't really going to be all that protective of the headphones anyway.



Headphones unfolded above. Note the short 1.35m (4.43') cable does have an integrated microphone and remote control leading from the right earcup. The cable terminates in dual TRS 2.5mm connectors (presumably 2 poles, each going to one of the 2 drivers) that plug into the earcups to a 3.5mm TRRS end into your headphone amp / mobile device. The 2.5mm plugs go in pretty deep and feel secure so I don't think there will be any issues with them breaking or dislodging in regular use.


I'm guessing that the integrated volume and microphone seen above is a recent addition to the 3DOE as older reviews either specifically indicate that there are no controls/mic or do not mention this. The microphone and remote worked well on my smartphone using the inexpensive Soditer DAC/dongle. Buttons used for volume up and down, middle button to play/pause. Microphone quality on calls sound reasonably good - no complaints of wind noise or lack of clarity when I made a couple of calls outside.

The headphones themselves are well made, aluminum alloy cups. Weight isn't bad at 285g (0.6lb) but it will be a bit more than the usual IEMs or inexpensive plastic headphones when used as a mobile set of cans. The headband is well-padded and the weight feels well distributed. Clamping force is adequate for security when walking around and the adjustable band helps to moderate the pressure. I think they look pretty good on the ears and exude quality - highly subjective of course.

The headphones have convenient large-lettering "L" and "R" in the earcups; there's also a smaller R/L designation on the headband (you can see it on the upper right):


Looking into the soft pleather earpads (unfortunately not readily replaceable, but people have experimented), we can see some fenestrations near the front of the cup behind which the treble ceramic driver is embedded.

I. Measurements


Okay, let's put the 3DOE on the test gear as above and have a look at the "core" earphone measurements:


Well, that's interesting. As usual, I'm using the low output impedance RME ADI-2 Pro FS as DAC/headphone amplifier for the test. On the frequency response graph we see that the channel balance is good, averaged with 3 readings for each side. Measuring with a good seal is essential to ensure proper bass performance. With some care, I did not have much issue with getting consistent results on the miniDSP (H)EARS measurement jig.

Bass is certainly present and of a good amount although it's more of an accentuated low bass with rolled off sub-bass below 40Hz. For music, this is not an issue because few instruments produce music sub-bass anyways and when we listen to synthetic music, often the sub-bass is accentuated and allowing a headphone to roll off could be more comfortable than a flat or "mega-bass" headphone. (Check out this chart for a nice summary of the typical frequency range for various speakers and the human voice.)

What I think is interesting is the slight mid/vocal range accentuation from around 400Hz -1kHz. I see most reviewers tending to comment quite a bit on the bass and effect of the "bass reflector" or the highs of the piezoelecric driver. I think this midrange tendency is just as important to be aware of and has a pleasant effect on the overall tonality.

The treble above 5kHz looks complex and this is likely reflective of the transition between the main graphene-coated mylar driver and the ceramic high frequency driver (DIY Audio Heaven measurements suggests the crossover point ~5.5kHz).

The waterfall plot doesn't look bad. As with many closed headphones, I've typically seen some residual content extending beyond 10ms in the low frequencies plotted with a dynamic range of 40dB.

Electrical impedance is relatively flat and hovered around 34Ω. A couple of resonance peaks can be seen at 60Hz and 3.3kHz. Interesting drop in impedance at high frequencies above 10kHz. I wonder how much of this drop is representative of the ceramic driver. Electrical phase remained flat through the audible frequencies. Notice that these are high-sensitivity headphones! I'm measuring 107dB/0.25V which works out to 119dB/V at 1kHz. The official specs call for 104dB/mW or 119dB/V SPL, 32Ω impedance so it looks like my measurements check out nicely with the specs.

Finally, if we look at the THD chart, it's good with <1% THD from 90Hz up. Below 90Hz, we see a rising distortion level up to 10% in the sub-bass. Notice that "bass shelf" look with increased harmonic distortion in the lower end; InnerFidelity also saw this back in the day and wondered about the role of the "bass reflector" in this.

As a closed-back headphone, we anticipate that the noise isolation should be pretty good (assuming a decent seal of course):


That's not bad at all. There's attenuation from 700Hz and up with close to -20dB by 5kHz. With the partial-circumaural fit, it's no surprise that the noise isolation might not be as good as some other closed headphones.

Sound leakage:


Measuring at the area of maximal leakage (the interface between cheek to earpad), I'm seeing 69dB SPL averaged from 100Hz to 10kHz. This works out to around 47.5dB SPL at 1' which is pretty good - not as good as the AKG K371 which would be even better for privacy. The upward tilt to the right tells us that leakage is primarily of high-frequency sounds.

Finally, here's a peek at a bandlimited (up to 20kHz) 100Hz square wave:

These are "fast" headphones with edge transitions peaking around 0.5ms. I suspect that accentuated leading edge with a tented peak almost appearing superimposed on the rest of the "square" wave is a result of the piezoelectric driver.

You can also compare the measurements here with those from AudioXpress' 1MORE Triple Driver Over Ear review / measurements from 2019. Be mindful of the differences due to compensation curve variations when looking at what I present here and the results elsewhere.

II. How does it sound?

As usual, I listened to the 3DOE first for a few days on my standard setup (with Drop + THX AAA 789 amp) prior to putting them up on the measurement jig.

Indeed, the sound from these is "interesting". Bass performance is pretty good. Certainly not the deepest bass I have heard and not excessively accentuated like the Dekoni Blue with Elite Hybrid earpads (pre-mod) for example. I think what's evident is that even without the measurements and just listening to different music, it's quite clear that we're not listening to a flat frequency response. Rather, depending on the music and which frequencies are accentuated by the music, we'll experience a different facet of the headphone's idiosyncrasies.

Jazz vocal recordings like Dave's True Story showed off the bass more than the female vocals and sibilance is minimal suggesting some tempering of the high resonances. Male vocals like Nat King Cole on The Nat King Cole Story appropriately is reproduced with a lovely midrange bloom on songs like "Unforgettable". I agree with other reviewers suggesting that these are not the most "revealing" headphones out there. Certainly they're not as "airy" as open or semi-open headphones and the soundstage can feel a bit claustrophobic, "inside the head".

On synthpop like Depeche Mode's Remixes 81-04, I noticed that the sub-bass was not as relatively strong as the AKG K371 or my modded Dekoni Blue on a track like "Strangelove [Blind Mix]". Despite this, I quite liked the overall tonal balance on these 1MOREs since the treble sounded too bright on the other headphones.

Modern, loud, dynamic compressed albums like say Ed Sheeran's No. 6 Collaboration Project (2019, DR6) sounded punchy and energetic. Tracks like "Beautiful People" and "South of the Border" had strong bass beats that hit at the sweet-spot for these headphones. The track "Blow" with Chris Stapleton and Bruno Mars provides a nice example of how well these headphones handle modern rock. I've noticed that some headphones (like the AKG K260) can sound a bit "grungy" and noisy during the extreme loud portions of these types of recordings; no problem with these. In fact, I would argue that headphones like these are meant for such pop/rock/R'n'B recordings created with the modern sound signature!

I noticed that Joshua Valour's YouTube review suggested that these are good headphones for movies and he used the example of Dunkirk. So I had a listen myself on the computer. While I can't say the gun shots had any special impact on me (which he highlighted), I do agree that the dual active driver configuration affects the spatial perception of treble frequencies compared to the bass. "Fast" and higher pitched sounds for example sounded like they're coming at me more fronto-medially and had less "width" than bass frequencies. This works for the movie. The Hans Zimmer soundtrack uses the ticking of a clock (for example "The Mole", "End Titles"), to add suspense and the sense of urgency (along with the "Shepard tone" psychological effect). These headphones seem to "concentrate" the ticking sound "front and center" in a way that heightens impact. Nice! Quite unique among my collection of headphones. One can also sense that the bass isn't flat and in certain tracks will notice the accentuation, for example the pulsating bass note in "The Tide" seemed to "hit the spot".

III. In Summary...

Nice looking "racing wheels" external decoration I think. You can see the dark-colored bass reflector under the glass. Notice the "Trident Bass Reflector" phrase; apparently "Trident" was an early name for this headphone.

Among those I have listened to for any significant length of time, these 1MORE Triple Driver Over-Ear cans are the only multi-driver full-sized headphones I've tried. There are other multi-driver full-sized headphones out there but not many, for example the Final Audio Design Pandora Hope VI uses a dynamic + balanced armature driver, the JVC HA-SZ1000 has dual 55mm (bass) + 30mm (mid/treble) dynamic drivers. There's also the dual-driver arrangement of the old AKG K280 which I think uses the same driver, just two of them on each side to "focus" the sound. Multidriver IEMs are more common.

These are not "flat" response headphones. I don't think they're suited for acoustic music like classical or traditional jazz where having a more controlled frequency response will have the music sounding more natural. I enjoyed them more with pop, rock, synth, hip-hop, rap and dance genres where the idiosyncrasies can sometimes really accentuate certain parts of the bass and sweeten mids while keeping the extreme trebles controlled so as not to sound harsh. The resulting sound can definitely be very "exciting" with the right mix!

IMO, these are also not good as "hi-fi" headphones for those looking for flat response, high detail, or ultimate dynamic range. I'm not sure how that JAS "Hi-Res Audio" logo is defined or tested/certified for headphones like these. Of note, with a good, quiet headphone amp listening in a quiet room, I was able to hear a faint buzzing from the right headphone. I believe this is from that in-line microphone/remote control probably adding some low-level noise to the channel. I suspect there will be variation between different units so pay attention and see if you can hear it paired to your specific amp. Note that I am being very picky here as the buzzing is only noticeable on my desktop with volume turned up, and very low ambient noise level. It will certainly not be a problem when used in a mobile setting where the volume control and microphone is of use so keep this in mind depending how you'll be using the headphone.

Given the high voltage sensitivity, inclusion of mic and remote volume/play controls in the newer version, relatively short cable length (<1.5m), and excellent quality metal construction for the price, I consider these as great fun-sounding "urban cool" mobile headphones that also look distinctive with that see-through glass backing. I think they're good for use on your commute with the smartphone or digital audio player. A somewhat "masculine"-looking set of cans to use in places to see and be seen without appearing overly eccentric and certainly far from pedestrian (like those who use Beats headphones these days ;-). They isolate to some extent but you'll still hear what's happening around - I see this as a good thing when out on the streets! Leakage is low although nearby neighbors might still complain in a very quiet library.

I suppose these could also be used as gaming headsets but I have not tested for this purpose.

By the way, I came across this Z Reviews video from back in 2018. Check out what he says from about 19:50 onwards about how he expects these to measure. He's not quite correct about the frequency response. This is not your typical "V" shaped EQ and to me do not sound that way. With the multiple drivers, the frequency response is more complex. Also, no, it does not need any fancy high power headphone amp. Very sensitive and sounds good even off a smartphone, and IMO this is the preferred use case anyways.

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To end, in my audio-related browsing this week, I noticed an interesting interview with Galen Gareis - ex-Belden, now Iconoclast Cables - talking about the supposed effectiveness of audio cable designs:


Here are a few thoughts:

1. Gareis is clearly experienced and science based - to a point. Great to hear about testing standards (eg. UL). Interesting history on how Iconoclast started.
"Physics don't care who's using it" is a nice line. Good to see him talking about the cable parameters and factors like resistance, capacitance, skin effect and inductance.  Good that he links these scientific principles with sound quality rather than voodoo.

He comes across as a passionate, entertaining, knowledgeable fellow. Great!


2. He has something to sell you however. Watch the video with that in mind.
He still has to connect/imply these improved electrical parameters (like LCR) as having an effect on playback sound quality. Otherwise, why else would an audiophile feel compelled to buy? It's funny that he drags his wife into it. ;-) At least he seems to believe in some form of diminishing returns with sound quality. But then he also claim interconnect differences are "definite" and readily heard (if one is attuned to "open and faster sound") so his beliefs are a bit unclear and implicates a need for Golden Ears of some form.

He seems to focus a bit too much on supposed group delay (varying velocity of propagation), and in fact claims that for Iconoclast it's the "velocity of propagation linearity" that's making a difference (he spends more time on this here). Does he honestly think this will have a significant effect from 20Hz to 20kHz!? Prove it scientist! Don't claim with just words - this is the difference between Gareis as an engineer/scientist and him wearing his salesman hat.
Show the group delay for example with a generous 50' length of speaker cable which would cover basically the vast majority of a home audiophile's needs. Let's see some graphs. Show us where the group delays are, at what frequencies, and what magnitude. Knowing that conduction speed is a significant fraction of the speed of light (fast!!!), such talk is mere speculation, not even a reasonable hypothesis at this point as far as I can tell! (BTW, a 50' pair of Iconoclast speaker cables would cost >US$5000.)

3. He has no evidence that his stuff "sounds" better.
Related to the above items, he claims that the lowering of those LCR parameters improves sound. The problem though is that after all these decades, there has not been any evidence that decent, normal cables make a difference compared to much more expensive stuff. So again, as a scientist, where's his data comparing these Iconoclast cables with standard Benden or just inexpensive OFC 12AWG copper using actual listeners?

Funny anecdote about showing off his prototype and "getting pressure" from "beta testers". This kind of thing is no different from the typical "subjectivist" stories whether it be wives and girlfriends supposedly hearing a difference or positive comments from unsuspecting Golden Ears. I hope for most audiophiles these days, we recognize that "just so" testimonies like these are simply unsubstantiated claims that should not sway opinion one way or another.

Very strange claim that good equipment (like better cables) can help with "bad stuff" like his Herman's Hermits album!? I dunno man, "garbage in, garbage out" even if the output garbage is from a higher resolution system.

4. He seems to have a limited concept of "snake oil".
He thinks audiophiles feel that stuff that are simply just "better" than what's needed is the definition of snake oil. To some extent this is true but I think most audiophiles are quite realistic with snake oil usually involving the concept of extremely poor value which is typically reflected in the price tag. If I buy a pair of $75 audio cables with better specs than $20 cables but I'm not hyping the product up, then I don't think anyone would be too upset or calling me a "snake oil" salesman, right? Hopefully the $75 cable is better made and will be trouble-free for many years, no forum battles necessary.

The problem is that what Gareis is claiming in this interview does encroach into snake oil. For a pair of Iconoclast speaker cables, 6' non-biwire, banana plugs on both ends, the cost starts at US$1220 for the lowest priced "Touch-Pitch Copper (TPC)" and goes up to US$2160 if you want silver-plated TPC. For a 6' pair of "Generation 1" XLR cables, it starts at $520. Likewise, the lowest end 6' pair of "Generation 1" RCA cables, TPC (not even OFC), costs US$462. Obviously that's expensive, and the value of such cables does need to be talked about.

Considering the likelihood of things, and Gareis' performance/claims in this interview, these Iconoclast cables are probably a type of Class B "Unnecessary Audio Accessory" snake oil since I do believe they measure well but unlikely to make any audible difference compared to say $20 XLR cables or $100 speaker cables for an order of magnitude price tag difference. The onus is on Gareis/Iconoclast to show us some blind testing results to prove that there is a "difference", much less an actual "improvement" to the sound. To demonstrate an audible difference actually should not be difficult if his subjective claims are true as expressed in that interview. While some might see it as cynical, I don't think there's anything wrong with an audiophile wondering if Iconoclast is basically an opportunity for Belden/Blue Jeans/Gareis to cash in on "high end audio" markups to grab a piece of the market that accepts such prices. Considering the presence of snake oil and trust issues around the audiophile media, I think at the very least, critical thinking needs to be applied.
I don't think these Iconoclast cables look good enough to be Class C "Audio Jewelry" although I'm sure construction is excellent with good materials so there should be good intrinsic value especially to audio tech geeks.

On a side note, Gareis mentions that he uses powerline ethernet to feed his PS Audio DAC system at home.  Hmmm... Personally, having used powerline ethernet a number of years back, I'd advise spending money to run some proper ethernet lines to the room before using the money for analogue cables like these! Might reduce risk of hum and will likely improve network reliability.


Now this was perhaps the most surprising to me given his experience and knowledge base. What's this about "my desktop computer is connecting at 10 megabits/second" and that "I never had a connection faster than that in reality"!? What's he talking about being at 10Mbps "99% of the time"!? Boy, Belden better upgrade their LAN at the office if this is the case. Gigabit, 2.5GbE, and 10GbE speeds don't seem to be a problem here at home. I could never live with 10Mbps data transfer of big files like lossless albums copied across computers! Unless I plugged in a bad cable or something, I don't think I've seen 10Mbps ethernet links at home or work in the last 20 years. Maybe he should have another look at his ethernet router / switch LEDs, and check out his computer's network link settings... Odd. I guess he's more of an analogue guy than digital?

By the way, Roon's RAAT protocol last I checked transmits data as uncompressed PCM/DSD. So a stereo 24/96 is already 5Mbps with overhead. If it is true that most ethernet installations run at 10Mbps only, most of us will have troubles streaming stereo 24/192! This is clearly not true. 

There's other questionable stuff in the interview but I think this is good enough... The host Jason did a good job on the selection of questions and allowing Gareis to speak his mind.

Here's my Audio Cables Summary page of measurements and discussions over the years for those who want to have a look at data from various cables. 

Hope you're enjoying your music!

10 comments:

  1. Thanks for the post, Archimago! On the cables--have you seen a recent AES paper https://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=21109 ? The author claims hearable difference in blind tests between an expensive cable used for a balanced connection vs. a cheaper cable used for unbalanced connection. Although, I'm curious whether it's just due to better noise rejection of the balanced connection and the price of the cables doesn't matter that much.

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    1. Hi Mikhail,
      Yup, saw that recently and in fact will have more of a comment on it next week as the topic to be published will have some bearing on this.

      In 2021, do we "need" to have a discussion of differences between XLR and RCA outputs?! I guess it's good that a blind test can show listeners are able to hear a difference. How the author handicapped the cheaper RCA cable/output further with a longer length seems odd!

      Strange to me how an article like this gets reviewed and passes for publication by the AES...

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    2. The main advantage for balanced I/O is for long runs for such use a microphones which have low output impedances and low MV outputs. As for single ended cables there was a phono cable shoot out and a pair of affordable HOSA cables came in 2nd place. I have many HOSA cables in my studio that was good to read as I have always like the sound I get, but having it validated by an "expert" was nice. lol

      Transferring the extra money to better gear is always the way to go. A better phono stage in place of a $1K pair of interconnects, or better table, Cartridge, or DAC, or what ever you need.

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    3. Absolutely Jim,
      IMO, I do not believe putting $1k into cables claiming one can hear the voice of angels is ever really the way to go unless what one is buying are bragging rights to show off to other audiophiles.

      Putting $1k into active electronics is another matter. ;-)

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  2. I use long Belden cables for my home theater and 2 channel audio. 10 awg for my speaker cable (about 40ft run) "just in case" and "why not?" Works jest fine! I have a friend who often has up to $50,000 (yes 50 thousand) worth of cables in his system and I never hear any more detail etc in his system than my own.

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    1. Nice Vaal,
      You should try a blind test with this friend!

      Bring over an interconnect or 10AWG speaker cable.

      Assuming his $$$ speaker cables are any good, even try running 1 side Belden and the other side the fancy one and hear if you can tell a channel imbalance in tonality or level!

      Fun summer activity for the whole family with a BBQ. :-)

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    2. I'd love to Archimago, but my set up makes cable shoot outs too difficult. Since my source/amp equipment are in a separate room down the hall from my speakers, I can't borrow any 'high end' cables long enough to try in my system.

      And since my speaker cables are run under the floor and through walls, I can't take it out to bring to somewhere else for a shoot out.

      But...before I had this arrangement, years ago, I had plenty of high end cables to play with. Lots of cast offs from more cable-happy friends. Even now I have a few expensive interconnects in my system, including as I remember even some Nordost. I used them because I had them available, and the rest is just old Kimber PBJ interconnects that I've had forever.

      I may actually grab some Blue Jeans interconnects - as I remember they would be a very good fit with the somewhat finicky capacitance of my CJ pre-amp.

      I have heard high end speakers that I've owned hooked up to standard Belden cable (at my house) and to kajillion dollar cables (highest end Nordost, Crystal Cable, etc) at my friend's house, because he actually bought my speakers from me. Sounded great in his place, but there was no revelation in the sound that I recognized from what I was used to at home.

      This of course will designate my as "cloth-eared" by the cable-cult crowd (even though I make my living in pro post production sound, requiring acute perception to changes in sound, timbre, balance etc).
      That's the wonderful ace card for the Golden Ears - they can always claim "I hear it even if you can't" and since they won't be tested, their claims can never be challenged.

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    3. Love it Vaal,
      Didn't know you are in the audio production world! That's great to know you have access to all this stuff and also rubbing shoulders with the audiophile crowd as well.

      No, I suppose we shall never have a situation where many "Golden Ears" would truly subject themselves to routine "honesty controls". The discipline needed is just not what the hobby promotes as witnessed with articles in magazines and online sources often finding fault and putting doubt in blind testing for those who think their hearing acuity is "infinite". I don't believe the Industry itself promotes blind testing - especially with high margin stuff like cable companies.

      Just looking around, we see stuff like this:
      https://hometheaterreview.com/why-do-audiophiles-fear-abx-testing/
      https://audiophilereview.com/news/why-double-blind-testing-cant-work-for-audio/
      https://www.psaudio.com/podcast/do-double-blind-tests-work/

      I actually don't believe we need "double blind" or formal "ABX" testing to know pretty quickly when something doesn't matter!

      A simple "single blind" is usually all we need. Heck, sometimes even just doing a few A/B/A... switches will tell us when it's not even worth the effort switching. When this happens, we can easily tell if something is at best subtle and no need to use all kinds of silly claims that something is "obvious". Also, when this happens, we can decide for ourselves if spending $1000 on some cables will make any sense and improve our enjoyment of the music.

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  3. Hey Arch, great post as always. Cables! We don’t need no stinking cables! Here is a blast from the past. This is a cable box I wired at a 24 track recording studio a long time ago. Belden was/is the industry standard for mic and line level cables with 100 foot rolls of “snake” cable containing 24 pairs for the thick cable and 12 pairs for the thinner snake that you see in the photo.

    “Beldfoil” provided the best shielding possible, but man it was a b!tch to work with. If you zoom into the pic a bit you will see each shielded pair had to have Beldfoil unwrapped to expose the wires, each wire stripped, crimped and screwed to the barrier strip and oh yah, heat shrink tubing to keep the Beldfoil from unwrapping and you had to remember to put that on first before you unwrapped the Beldfoil…

    I think it took 6 weeks for 2 of us to finish the job while I did the wiring cabinet another person wired up the XLR’s that were going to and from the console, to and from the 24 track machine and all of the microphone bays around the studio. Plus we had another 8 track machine, 4 x 2 track machines and then all of the console patchbay to the dozens of h/w effects in the rack behind the mixer. If you look closely in the picture in the bottom right hand corner, you can see the massive star ground that went to a huge grounding rod just outside the studio.

    It took another week to test everything. Aside from a few wiring mix-ups, there was zero hum. Completely silent. We were relieved. Of course, we tested a few end to end connections early and everything looked fine, but it really isn’t until you have everything hooked up and running as the ultimate test. We were luck not to have any issues like these poor guys in Vancouver. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/armoury-studios-plagued-by-radio-interference-1.6054498

    I don’t know the total length of cable we used but I am sure it is was in the thousands of feet. And virtually every other recording studio on the planet was similar. So folks have been listening for decades to music that already has gone through thousands of feet of cable. No-one seems to complain about that.

    Keep up the great writings!

    Mitch

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    1. Great picture and background info Mitch!

      Wow, that's quite a shot of the cabinet and clearly the amount of work going into that to make sure no shorts or picking up interference is the definition of patience and labor. Given your passion for this stuff, I'm sure you did a world class job for them. ;-)

      Indeed, it adds to the whole question of what Galen Gareis is selling here with multi-thousand-dollar cables as a former Belden man! Surely he must know better and firmly aware of the use of audio cables in studios. Clearly, he's got cables to sell to a certain segment of Golden Eared audiophiles who seems to think this stuff makes sense, and the money spent worthwhile!

      As for Armoury Studios here in Vancouver, hmmm.... Wondering if there was a new 5G cell tower installation nearby in the last 6 months. Looks like that's what they're implying since Rogers announced further expansion of their 5G network back in the fall.

      Well, hope you're keeping cool in this unprecedented heat wave along the West Coast, Mitch!

      Happy Canada Day coming up...

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