Every once awhile, a manufacturer will connect to see if I might be interested in testing out one of their upcoming products. Recently, 3e Audio (their mission being to Enhanced, Exceed, Enjoy) based in Shenzhen reached out for an honest, independent, evaluation of their new amplifiers. As usual, most of my hardware discussions are based on objective results which I believe significantly reduces personal subjective biases and advertising hype - no YouTube videos where reviewers make silly facial expressions to draw attention to the thumbnail image here folks. 🙄
You probably haven't heard of this brand, but the engineering-focused company has been around for a number of years selling boards to the DIY market with DSP, power supply, and Class D amplifiers. In August, they announced the release of their line of five fully-assembled "A5x A7x Series Next-Gen PFFB Amplifiers". In the picture above, we see the pre-release A7 Mono (260W into 4Ω 1% THD+N, single TPA3255, PBTL) and A5 (150W x 2 into 4Ω 1% THD+N, dual-TPA3251, PBTL) models sent here for evaluation.
As you might know, in this blog over the years I've been covering a number of these very reasonably priced TI TPA chip amps from the early generation TI TPA3116, to the early TPA3255 models (like the AOSHIDA A7), to the very high performance Topping PA5 MkII+ (TPA3251), to the recent inexpensive and higher powered Fosi Audio V3 Mono (TPA3255) with Post-Filter Feedback (PFFB). The inclusion of PFFB to 3e Audio's amplifiers is not new for this company as this feature has been available in their DIY boards since at least 2022. 3e Audio is aiming to exceed the performance of others that have come before; of course, we'll see about that on the testbench!
I'm not sure exactly what date 3e Audio will make these amps available or the prices. At the time of these tests, I was told that they will be taking orders on their AliExpress store in early December 2024. Final prices might change, but I was told that the amps will range from US$199 for the A5se (140W x 2 into 4Ω, 1% THD+N, single-TPA3251, BTL), to US$300 A7 models with power supply.
Clearly we can see the family resemblance here. The boxes looks identical except for the model name and obviously this amplifier can accept both RCA single-ended and XLR (combo XLR/TRS) balanced inputs as per the front indicators. It's in a matte black, aluminum case, measuring 17cm wide x 16cm deep with speaker terminals and volume knob included, 5cm tall. The A7 Mono weighs 835g, and A5 is 900g. This pre-production version looks understated without any fancy company logos. The inclusion of clipping indicators is a nice touch and this will let you know if you are in need of more power - indication for an amp upgrade if this turns on too often!
There's a large, smooth turning, central volume knob. Press down on the knob for 2+ seconds to turn on/off, a short push will select balanced or unbalanced inputs.
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There's no marker on the small "BYPASS" switch, slide left (towards the speaker terminals) to bypass the volume knob. |
The family resemblance extends to the rear.
Obviously the A7 Mono only has a single pair while the A5 (Stereo) has two pairs of speaker binding posts; they feel solid, of good quality. My banana plugs fit snugly with reassuringly tight contact. To the left of the speaker binding posts are both balanced combo XLR/TRS and single-ended RCA analogue inputs. Both amps are true balanced designs so there should be benefit to the signal-to-noise with the use of XLR/TRS input (we'll test this later). Input impedance is 10kΩ RCA and 20kΩ XLR/TRS.
Notice the RCA gain switch which allows the user to set either +23/+26dB for the A5 models, or +26/+29dB for A7 models. The usual rule of thumb is to keep it at the lower setting if this is adequate since higher gain might add a little more noise.
On the right of those speaker connectors are a "Bypass Vol" switch (turn it to the left to bypass) which removes the volume control from the signal path, allowing potentially lower distortion. I see the manual recommends that you only switch this with the power off to avoid "pop" through the speakers. To the far right is the power input. For the more powerful A7 models, they can accept up to 52VDC and lower-power A5 models up to 38VDC.
Notice that on this pre-production model, there's a 12V trigger input connector. The device actually has automatic signal detection already (power-saving sleep mode after 5 minutes without input) and I was told that this trigger input will be removed in the final production models as it's likely redundant.
Let's look at the power supplies I was sent:
They're both GaN (gallium nitride) models, relatively compact, efficient Level VI switching power supplies. The larger 52V/9A (468W) one weighs about 1kg, measuring 21cm long x 9cm wide x 4.5cm tall; this is meant to power the A7 models. The smaller one provides 38V/5A (190W) meant for the A5, weighing 450g.
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"Compact" size is relative of course. Here's a comparison of the 38V GaN power supply compared to the 38V from the Topping PA5 Mk II+ amp. |
For both amplifiers, when turned on and not playing music, idle power draw is <10W (manual specifies 8W for A5, 6W A7 Mono). It goes into a <0.5W power-saving mode when there has been no signal for 5 minutes (signal threshold minimum of 2mV RCA, 4mV balanced).
Okay, I think that's a good enough look at the externals of the product.
I have not opened the boxes up to have a look inside yet. Based on
their webpage, it looks like there are socketed op-amps that can be replaced should you feel that this is beneficial. The manual speaks of the usual options like TI OPA's, LME's, JRC MUSES, Analog Devices, etc. Since what I have here are close-to-production units, it would not be surprising if the final products may have cosmetic / minor internal changes.
As usual, I spent time listening to the amplifiers for a few nights to create a subjective feel for the sound quality which I'll talk about next time since the subjective stuff isn't something I would hang my hat on. Much more useful IMO is to get a more objective sense of the products' capabilities and what it might bring to the family of inexpensive Class D amplifiers.
Let's start with some initial objective tests which will expand in Part II next time.
I. Volume Gain, and Oscilloscope View
Here are my measured results for volume gain from the two amps:
3e A5:
XLR: +16.5dB (official +17dB)
RCA Low: +22.6dB (official +23dB)
RCA High: +25.7dB (official +26dB)
3e A7 Mono:
XLR: +19.6dB (official +20dB)
RCA Low: +25.4dB (official +26dB)
RCA High: +28.9dB (official +29dB)
Notice the difference between the A5 and A7 Mono with the A7 about +3dB higher gain. This is consistent with the official figures in the manual. Likewise, the RCA Low/High gain results are consistent with the product's specs.
Let's hook the amp up to a digital oscilloscope to have a look at some waveforms. Here's the 3e A5 reproducing a 1kHz sine, both channels at 1Vrms, I purposely did not bypass the potentiometer:
A couple things to notice. First, the channel balance is excellent with only a 0.01V difference (<0.1dB). Secondly, notice that even though this is a Class D amplifier, and I'm not using any low-pass filtering, the switching noise in the signal is visibly low, significantly lower than the
Fosi V3 Mono and more similar to the
Topping PA5 Mk II+.
In the same way, the 3e A7 Mono has very low switching noise - let's have a look at a 1kHz square wave:
The switching noise is low enough that we can easily make out that the DAC is using a linear phase filter (running at 24/96) with pre- and post- ringing, again without me adding any low-pass filtering to the signal.
I didn't get a chance to catch the frequency of the switching noise but confirmed with the company that this is at 600kHz, as seen in other TI TPA325X-based amplifiers.
II. Output Impedance and Damping Factor
With Post-Filter Feedback (PFFB), these amplifiers have been designed to be load-invariant and we should see very low output impedance.
Indeed, wow! We're looking at output impedance on average just over 10mΩ. We can convert that graph to a damping factor into 4Ω as I have done in the past:
With such low output impedance, we're looking at a damping factor in the hundreds now across the whole audible spectrum befitting of high-quality solid-state amplifiers. It should be obvious then that these amps will be able to perform predictably across a broad range of speakers.
III. Frequency Response
That very high damping factor should essentially result in a "flat", at least audibly insignificant, frequency response with different loads.
Indeed, <0.5dB variation across the loads from 20Hz to 20kHz and with good ultrasonic extension beyond 30kHz (if one cares 😉). Regardless of the dummy or speaker loads, there's barely any effect on the frequency response except those tiny differences above 10kHz which are altogether irrelevant (the Y-axis on the graphs above are just +/-3dB range). Notice that I have included a 2Ω graph here also. These A5 and A7 Mono amps are Parallel Bridge-Tied Load (PBTL) designs and they can provide more current for difficult loads, the company specifies stability down to 2Ω.
For reference, here again is the impedance, phase, and EPDR curves for that Sony SS-H1600 bookshelf speaker used in the measurements above:
Here's the 3e A5 amplifier connected to the Sony SS-H1600 bookshelf speaker showing both the frequency response (10Hz to over 40kHz) and phase:
0° phase means there's no polarity inversion with these amps.
The result of the PFFB implementation on these TI TPA325X Class D amplifiers by 3e Audio looks excellent.
IV. Crosstalk (A5 Stereo amplifier)
Obviously there's no measurement for crosstalk with the A7 Mono. For the A5 amplifier with 2 channels, let's have a quick peek at the crosstalk using a strong 0dBFS 4kHz tone in the left channel, and 0dBFS 300Hz signal in the right driven simultaneously; let's see how much seepage there is going into the other channel (the
Sabaj A20d 2022 DAC itself shows a limit of -95dB RCA and -120dB XLR so that would be maximum). A more taxing test than typically looking at crosstalk in the other channel with only one channel driven.
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Notice the very clean noise floor with XLR in, no 60Hz + harmonics power line hum. |
As I am a "first watt is most important" guy (we're not talking about PA amps so low-level nuances most important), I typically default to 2Vrms into 4Ω with many of my tests. Clearly, we can see signs of the superiority of using balanced input with 22dB lower crosstalk. Notice that the higher frequency 4kHz signal tends to seep into the other channel more than the 300Hz tone.
The measurements above are with the volume bypass enabled (ie. volume control disabled). If we switch off the bypass, allowing the volume control back into the audio chain, let's see if that affects anything:
Good to see that crosstalk has not worsened with volume control enabled. The RCA result was exactly the same. It's interesting that the crosstalk value actually decreased (improved) compared to the bypassed mode with the XLR input.
These results are certainly encouraging to see, suggesting that the volume control has been implemented well and might not significantly impact the sound quality - we'll look in more detail next time.
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This is what the clip warning indicators looks like when presented with a strong signal to RCA input, volume bypassed. As usual, in testing, I often push amps to their limits until shutdown. Yeah, in the past I've blown an amp here and there.😢 So far, these 3e amps have withstood the punishment well. |
V. Summary, Part I
As typical, I'll split this detailed review into two parts. No need to rush!
Thus far, the 3e Audio A5 (Stereo) and A7 Mono appear to be well-thought-out Class D amplifiers enclosed in high-quality compact metal enclosures, have balanced XLR/TRS and unbalanced RCA inputs with bypassable smooth-turning volume knob. I believe 3e Audio might also sell the amplifiers without power supplies since some of us might already have one or two on hand from previous purchases; I guess we'll see once their online store opens. A good way to upgrade amps for less money.
The A5 is a lower-power dual-
TI TPA3251 design (150W x 2 into 4Ω, 1% spec) compared to the more powerful A7 Mono based on a single
TI TPA3255 (260W x 2 into 4Ω, 1% spec). Both are PBTL designs and the company indicates that they can handle down to 2Ω loads. We'll see next time the measured power output and distortion amounts.
Compared to earlier generations of TI TPA325X amps, these have implemented Post-Filter Feedback (PFFB) and we're seeing excellent performance in both these models resulting in load-invariant behaviors within the audible frequencies. Output impedance is low, averaging at just over10mΩ across 20Hz to 20kHz. Indeed, frequency response of various resistive loads (2/4/8Ω) as well as the reactive load (actual Sony bookshelf speaker) remains basically flat with no expectation of audible difference.
Another characteristic of these 3e Audio amps I was impressed by is the well-attenuated noise level of the 600kHz switching frequency compared to the majority of other Class D amplifiers I've examined over the last few years. The only comparable TI TPA device with such lower noise was the Topping PA5 MkII+ I looked at
a little over a year back.
Finally, the crosstalk on the A5 Stereo is good with an average of -85dB using the RCA input and better than -100dB with balanced XLR using my measurement method.
[Crosstalk is one of those measurements we can easily do but as an objective reviewer, need to remind everyone that for excellent stereo separation, even something seemingly very low like -25dB would likely be enough through speakers. There is intrinsically high crosstalk with speaker playback which is why we might want to apply crosstalk cancellation to improve soundstage presentation and conversely add crossfeed with headphones to make it sound more like listening to speakers in a room. Comparatively, on good vinyl systems, one might only get -30dB crosstalk.]
The only caveat I must remind everyone is that I am evaluating pre-release units so minor esthetic and design updates would not be surprising. The company however has assured me that the technical performance will be equivalent to the final product. So far, so good, as I continue listening and testing these amplifiers!
Off to do some more listening now. Next time in Part II, we'll examine the power capabilities of these amplifiers, have a look at the distortion characteristics, plus discuss some subjective impressions.
I hope all the American friends had a nice Thanksgiving. Wow, December here already, year end cometh!
Hi Arch, The 3E's certainly look very interesting. It looks like Fosi has someone to give them a run for the money. Kind of looks like PFFB is the "secret sauce" for getting the maximum performance out of the TPA 3251 & 55 chip amps. Who'd have thought even 5 years ago that all these big iron Class AB designs costing in the thousands could be handily outperformed by these diminutive boxes costing just a few hundred. Great time to be an audiophile.
ReplyDeleteAnd the other topic of crosstalk is just as interesting. I have a Smyth A16 Realizer which runs a 24 channel virtualization of a pair of Dutch & Dutch 8C's, and I'm really damn sure it introduces a ton of cross talk to my experience of listening with my HD 800's, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
On the other hand, my actual speaker system (the stereo only part) is a pair of Kef LS 50 Metas with a pair of SVS SB 2000's. In addition to using Dirac, I also process that signal with uBacch for Windows which removes a good deal of cross talk from the listening experience, and, again, In wouldn't have it any other way anymore.
So, obviously, something interesting is going on with crosstalk. Obviously zero is too little, because we have that with headphones, and most people don't like it and want to add some back. But, on the other hand, the amounts of cross talk we have in our listening rooms with speaker systems appears too much, hence the just dawning realization on a numer of audiophiles, that removal systems like Bacch do indeed seem to do something good for the listener.
So I guess the question that seems to be arising from these two situations, is whether there exists some optimal or at least acceptablely good range of crosstalk and is there a theoretical model and/or some psychoacoustic research which suggest what the level ought to be across a variety of music delivery systems? I am not aware of anything, but it seems like a fertile ground for research.
Hey Phoenix,
DeleteYeah, for sure the 3e performance will definitely give the Fosi a run for the money; the only thing I'm not sure about is the price they will charge.
I'll publish the results for Part II probably next week. From what I've seen and heard, unless I run into something unexpected, objectively the A7 Mono simply is better than the Fosi V3 Mono I tested and measured back in August. (Whether one hears the difference I'll leave it to each person to judge in their own context!)
Great that you've got the experience with both uBACCH (speakers) and Smyth A16 Realizer (headphones)! Indeed, beautiful examples of finding the ideal middle ground for realism with the different modes of music listening.
Certainly adds another dimension to the audiophile hobby when we can dive into the complexities of powerful DSP and get beyond just 2-speakers in a room and obsessing over things that make little difference like cables, tweak rocks, ever more expensive DACs, unnecessarily expensive streaming computers, and other controversial audiophile items, eh?
Archi,
DeleteJust the sheer fact that the Fosi was "perfect" but now, suddenly, "the 3e will give it a run for the money" indicates that the class D amplification technology is still in progress and it's still too early to buy a class D amp. Whatever you buy now will be superpassed by the next model. I am not risking my audiophile pleasure just to save 200 rubles on an electricity bill. No, thanks, I am sticking to my pure class A Monarchy Audio monoblocks for the next 10 years or so.
The huge damping factor of class D amps is nothing to admire, it makes the sound of such amps too dry, not pleasing to human ears.
Hey fgk,
DeleteYes, notice that I chose my words carefully when I specified: "objectively the A7 Mono simply is better than the Fosi V3 Mono I tested and measured back in August".
We've entered the era of "perceptibly perfect" I think as defined by not being able to tell the difference in a blind test between high-fidelity devices such as DACs (as per tests like this). So if a person already has a Fosi V3 Mono and has set it up optimally, not lacking in power for their system, I would not say you need to upgrade to the 3e or anything else unless one is interested in a different "color" (like tube amps).
You'll see in Part II other areas of superiority that I'm finding with the 3e amps. Depending on how you use the Fosi V3 Mono, these improvements may or may not be meaningful. So far in Part I, other than the volume control if you should need it and lower output impedance which isn't a big difference from the Fosi, we're not seeing the improvements I'm talking about yet. 😉
Personally, I like the low output impedance/high damping factor. The concept of load-invariance on the amplifier output is something I like to see. I don't mind "dry" but at the same time "predictable"! Since I almost always listen with DSP activated, the ability to control the sound and color it to please my ears is what I want. An amp that achieves flat frequency response is often not what many would find as exciting but it is technically accurate and "transparent" - again, what I'm looking for and prefer as a hi-fidelity enthusiast.
As an audiophile, I refuse to leave fine tuning to the audio engineers who design these products, whether they see themselves as "artists", or audiophile magazine reviewers revere them as "legendary icons" is not really of much interest to me. 😏
Carrying from the discussions last week, the last thing I want is someone like Devon Turnbull/Ojas to design the audiophile system for me.
Interesting about the damping factor. I was watching a review by Iiwi where he references the Fosi monos which I have, (LeAudio Cattle Pro - TPA3255) and he has basically said he is not going to review any more of these chip amps.
DeleteI think these 3e's are in fact going to generate quite a lot of interest, but it did occur to me that the 'lack of fullness' he prefers in the 'higher end' gear may just be down to damping factor?
They work great with my slightly bass heavy floorstanders!
I'm new to your posts, but truly excellent.
I'm looking forward to your perceptions of power between the 3251 and the 3e monos.
Replying to the question by *Phoenix Dogfan*, there is a practical way to test whether you have enough of cross talk cancellation on your speakers. Try this video: https://youtu.be/ZLtqNnezKJI?si=_ZhwyladBvxEghIn, it was recorded using a HATS binaural microphone and represents sounds heard from different positions around the mic. This is the version intended for stereo speakers with crosstalk cancellation. If "behind the mannequin" positions do sound as they actually come from behind you, your CTC is good enough. I must say that the "180 degree" position may still sound as in front of you due to the "cone of confusion" issue.
DeleteArchi<
DeleteYou said: "I refuse to leave fine tuning to the audio engineers who design these products", but you already do it when you choose a class D amp over another class D. Because, by buying a class D amp with a high damping factor, you opt for a drier sound.
How does a high damping factor affect the sound?
Tighter Bass Response: The most noticeable impact is in the bass. A high damping factor often results in tighter, more precise, and well-controlled bass. There is less "boomy" or uncontrolled low-end.
This precision can lead to the perception of a "dry" sound for some listeners, as it removes excess resonance and warmth caused by less controlled speaker movement.
Reduced Harmonic Distortion: By controlling the speaker cone effectively, a high damping factor reduces the chance of the speaker introducing unwanted distortions.
Perceived Loss of Warmth: For audiophiles who prefer a richer, more resonant sound (sometimes described as "musical" or "warm"), a high damping factor may sound less engaging or "dry" because it eliminates certain resonances that contribute to this tonal character.
Improved Transient Response: High damping factors can result in faster and cleaner reproduction of transients (e.g., percussion), as the amplifier can stop the driver more abruptly.
Conclusion: A high damping factor contributes to precision and control, but some listeners may interpret the absence of resonances as a "dry" or less emotionally engaging sound.
Smen,
Delete"he has basically said he is not going to review any more of these chip amps."
Let the Chinese listen to their chimp amps themselves.
@SMen:
DeleteYeah, I think there comes a time when it's just "good enough", or "more than good enough" 😉 when it comes to this current generation of TPA-based chip amps which is my feeling as well. The evolution has been really nice to see and I think it's totally reasonable to await the next generation now of inexpensive Class D. Maybe GaN-based devices for example.
I guess will see!
@Mikhail:
Thanks for that YouTube video link! I'll have to rip the audio and make it as a little test track for future reference.
Hey fgk:
DeleteAt the end of the day, yeah, I select from the audio engineered options out there - but that's my choice based hopefully on well-reasoned, objective goals.
Let me clarify my statement earlier when I said:
"As an audiophile, I refuse to leave fine tuning to the audio engineers who design these products, whether they see themselves as 'artists', or audiophile magazine reviewers revere them as 'legendary icons' is not really of much interest to me. 😏"
I was referring to the idea that some audiophiles, typically influenced by what reviewers have said without clear objective evidence, revere certain heroes - people like Walker, d'Agostino, Curl, Hafler, Levinson, Carver, Kondo, Pass, etc. - as if these guys somehow can impart "magic" to the sound and audiophiles often will pay premiums not necessarily for sound quality or workmanship, but name recognition. If we're interested in high-fidelity as the ultimate desire, I'm not sure the idea of being influenced by "hero" hardware audio designers/engineers is necessary in 2024 even though they've had historical contributions.
At the end of the day, all I want is fidelity, not magic, and definitely not "art" as if imprinted in the hardware (I don't know what it means when subjective-only reviewers say "This is a very musical amp!").
I'll leave art to the real artists - the musicians! Hardware engineers and scientists can be respected for their roles in elevating quality over the decades, but when it comes to achieving the sound I want in my room, I'm much more interested in what the objective results tell me, what I hear to verify the results, and what I can do (typically with DSP) in the room regardless of heroes, reviewer hype, or certain trends (like flea watt tube amps with old driver designs - no thanks).
Whether it's Class A, A/B, D doesn't really matter to me these days because once the objective results hit certain targets, I can't hear the difference as much as I try - regardless of price. All that's left is to enjoy the music, not the hardware itself. I have to remind myself that my interest in audiophilia is not for neurotic fetishistic ends.
Sure, that high damping factor with strict "control" can come with it characteristics that some listeners might not prefer (some comparison measurements here). Indeed, perhaps those added harmonics like we've see in tube amps or even certain solid state amps can add subjective fullness.
Alas, just not what I'm after as a high-fidelity, transparency, objective-leaning, audiophile enthusiast. As usual, others are always free to choose their own philosophy even if I voice criticisms. 🤨
Thanks for the great technical review. but you didn't describe the infra-instrumental sound of these PBTLs 😉
ReplyDeletejokes aside, these class D implementations measure and sound good, perhaps also thanks to the cleanliness of the GaN power supplies or negative feedback: but the Chinese continue to produce black box.
it would take a nice steel case with power supply and power amp inside, to reduce the domestic risk with all these little boxes.
and then a single shining case that integrates streamer, dac, power amp and a granny-grade display; maybe with none of these mutually introducing noise.
keeping the price under $999 will be a marketbreaker !
Hey GianDi,
DeleteNice to see the GaN power supplies. Probably in time these will become the standard power adaptors for future generation amps like these. Who knows, maybe they have a positive benefit on the performance. I'm sure once more folks try, there will be different impressions/opinions and maybe mixing/matching to find best combinations.
Already we can see these 48V/10A GaN PS available on AliExpress - not cheap, but not terrible.
Yup, the performance of these products like the amps are excellent already. There are many opportunities for the companies to upgrade the casing, add some bling like VU meters, make it all look classy in one box. A reasonable bump up in price is totally fine, commensurate with material/production costs without looking like the price-gouging luxury expense of audiophile "high end" these days often so out of touch with value!