Saturday, 16 November 2024

Dirac Live 3: A look & listen with the Integra DRX-8.4 - the process, microphone placement suggestion, tweaking, and multichannel/Atmos results.

As discussed years ago with my sound room set-up, I believe room correction DSP is very important and has become part of my routine whenever I make significant changes in room layout or when I incorporate new equipment. I would argue that an audiophile who has not seriously spent time trying this likely has not heard the best sound in their room from their system. Simply put, you'll notice a level of control and audible difference way more than just swapping hi-fi DACs, amps, etc. hardware.

With the arrival of the Integra DRX-8.4 receiver recently, I started using the included Dirac Live Full Bandwidth license embedded in the hardware. As I had done in the recent past with Acourate and Audiolense XO, let's dive into the steps I used to get Dirac running and the results I achieved. Hopefully this discussion could be useful for those of you thinking of trying out Dirac.

I'll document the steps I followed, issues I ran into, and tips to overcome problems.

Step 1. Get your room ready.

For my situation, this was documented previously in: The Soundroom - speaker layout, vibration control & correction. Obviously we'll be using Dirac instead of Acourate discussed in that post, and this will be multichannel correction rather than 2-channel stereo even though 2-channel Dirac would still be great.

Other than a couple GIK Acoustics side panels at the first reflection points mainly to dampen vibrations off the glass side cabinets, I haven't really don't anything fancy to the room. Here's a picture of the front equipment set-up these days with the Integra receiver front-and-center on the ground due to size:

Notice that I've got two subwoofers up at the front - the massive Paradigm Signature SUB1 (connected with XLR to Integra) easily capable of pushing frequencies below 20Hz and the much smaller and lower-powered Polk Audio PSW111 (RCA connection) with usable frequencies down to about 30Hz (I discussed the use of 2 subs to reduce nulls awhile back). Based on some previous testing already to ensure that there wasn't a deep null at the sweetspot, the subwoofers were both set to 180° phase, Paradigm SUB1 volume set to 50%, and Polk volume 100%.

The LCR speakers are the Paradigm Signature S8v.3 fronts and matching Signature C3v.3 center channel.

Notice that I already have the measurement MiniDSP UMIK-1 at the listening sweet spot in this picture.

Looking back towards the rear of the room, we have my Paradigm Studio 80v.3 floorstanders used as surrounds and until I have the time and inclination to put holes in my ceiling for front and back heights, I'm just running a couple of Energy C100 bookshelves lifted up and angled up to create the sound of vertical fill. I still have the ELAC Debut 2.0 A4.2 Atmos add-on speakers here but experimenting over time, I prefer the sound of the larger Energy bookshelves with broader frequency response.

Step 2: Get the measurement gear together!

The receiver comes with that little "puck microphone". It's actually pretty good and very easy to use. It has screw-on threads for a camera tripod. Just plug it into the front of the receiver and you can start using that with the Integra Control Pro app (Android, iOS). [There is a YouTube video here comparing the use of the "puck" vs. MiniDSP UMIK-1.]

Since we're audiophiles, we're not afraid of extra work to get things done more precisely 🤓 which in this case means I'll use the MiniDSP UMIK-1 microphone with calibration file. Since we're going to be measuring omnidirectionally with mic pointed upwards, go plug in your UMIK-1's serial number and grab the "<serial num>_90deg.txt" calibration file. A simple mic stand helps position the microphone although I suppose you could just use the UMIK-included tripod assuming you can stably position it where you want (not easy with my leather couch).

I'm running the current Windows Dirac Live v3.10.10 (download here) on the Microsoft Surface laptop in the picture. Be mindful that CPU speed is important as I found that in use when recording the audio sweeps, the old Surface Pro 3 complained of dropping samples here and there so eventually went with my Huawei Matebook X Pro (Intel i7-8550U quad core) laptop instead which provided a much smoother error-free experience.

Step 3: Make sure your receiver is on and the basic speaker set-up is correct.

Using the on-screen menu, make sure the basic layout is correct so Dirac Live knows how many speakers it will be measuring. For me, this would be a 5.1.2 system (while there are 2 subwoofer outs, the system configures them as a single unit):

I let the receiver know that I have both subwoofer 1 and 2 outputs active ("SW 1 & SW2"). And that the single pair of height channels are "top rear" as per my room set-up.

While we're here, Dirac Live requires a network connection so let's just have a peek at the IP address:

As you can see, my Integra DXR-8.4's IP is "192.168.1.107"; make note of this. This IP address can be very important as we'll see below.

Step 4: Hook the UMIK-1 mic up to your laptop, place the microphone at the sweet spot, and fire up Dirac Live.

Alright, connect the UMIK-1 to the laptop, position the microphone at the sweet spot (microphone diaphragm at ear-level as shown in the image above) and run Dirac Live on the laptop. You'll see a screen like this:

Hopefully, the software found your box automatically and you're not seeing that "No devices found." comment like I did!

Normally what should happen is that Dirac Live would look through your network and find the receiver/device with Dirac Live license and proceed to show information about that device with info about the steps ahead. Clearly, the laptop could not find the Integra across my more complex home network with multiple hubs (see latest network diagram here). When this happens, we can follow the Dirac manual connect instructions here.

Since we took down the IP address of the Integra, we now go into the UPnP Descriptor page to have a look for the Dirac Live port number (type "http://<IP address>:8888/upnp_descriptor_0" into your web browser and search for the number):

With the port number 60229 known, we can manually enter this info into the "IP" icon in the Dirac Live opening screen:

With that, you should now see the Dirac Live screen start up with the various microphone inputs including the UMIK-1:


Right click on the UMIK-1 microphone and load in the 90-degree calibration file then "Proceed with Volume Calibration".

As above, we now see all our speakers. You can press the play icon at the bottom of each speaker to hear the relative loudness as "heard" by the UMIK-1 microphone. For safety, the "Master output" is set low to begin with and you'll need to pull it up to hear the white noise from each speaker. With my front left channel at 0dB and "Master output" at -30dB, this correlates with about 80dB SPL using a sound pressure meter (or phone app) which is a reasonable level to be running these tests without going deaf or damaging the drivers:


I'll then press play on each of the channels and adjust the relative volumes so they're about the same. As you can see, I've moved the sliders so each channel is around -25 to -26dB; a value between -20 to -30dB would be fine. Dirac Live will fine-tune the exact relative gain values when it calculates the filters.

Step 5: Select how "focused" you want your measurements.


While in an actual cinema, it's important for the sound to satisfy as many paying customers as possible, for us audiophiles at home, we're almost always aiming to satisfy an audience of one - you sitting in the sweetspot! So I'll select the "Narrow room correction" profile and consider where I want to measure:


As you can see, we can get fully involved and capture data from at all 13 spots around the head and to the sides. While Dirac has those suggested positions shown above, other than the sweet spot measurement, the other locations do not have to be at those places shown.

Since I'm mainly interested in what's happening around the sweet spot, I'm going to do 2 rows of 3 measurements; one row where my ears would be when leaning back on the seat (the Rear row), and a second Front row about 6" forward which is closer to my ear position when I sit up straight.

I've labeled the positions in the image above and here are the actual positions where I would place the microphone around the seating position:
The width of that central seat is 24".

Step 6: Let Dirac Live measure, moving the microphone along those selected measurement locations.

When you click on "Measure selected position" the software will run log sweeps through each speaker in turn, at each microphone position:

Once all positions are measured it'll look like this:

We can see the frequency response curves plotted out for each speaker.

Step 7: Let's define filter targets...

Okay, time to have fun designing the target "house curve". 🙂

These days, since I am listening to a lot of Dolby Atmos-encoded music, let's follow Dolby's recommendation of the Dolby Atmos Music Target Curve as recently discussed. Let me customize each of the curves a bit to conform to that Atmos Music tonality:

I selected the Control Point mode to define the Dolby Music curve. Notice the presence of vertical low-end and high-end "curtain" limits in the graph. You can slide these horizontally to isolate only the frequencies you want to correct. For example, you can pull the right one down to 500Hz if you just want Dirac Live to correct the bass.







Started with the shape of the Dolby Atmos Music Target and manually dropped the upper end of the bass for steeper filter.

Since there's a lot of opportunity to fine-tune, you can always save the project and load back for editing later. Also, you can individually save the curve in one channel group and apply it to another by right clicking on the "Group" box and you'll see load/save menu items for each speaker (eg. center) or group of speakers (eg. fronts, surrounds, heights).

For convenience and reference, here's my full bandwidth Dolby Atmos Music Target Curve file that was used in the images above. You can download other targets here.

Step 8: Let Dirac Live calculate the filters and upload to the receiver.

Click on "Proceed to Filter Export" and select which slot to use. The Integra DRX-8.4 has 3 slots, in this example, let's save to Slot 1 with name and description (as you can see, in this example, I'm replacing a previous variation I was testing):

There are quite a bit of calculations to be done once you click on "Export filter"/"Replace existing filter" so it could take a few minutes depending on the speed of your computer:

If it all worked out, you'll get a confirmation that the filter was exported to the correct slot, and on the Integra DRX-8.4, you can switch between the saved slots (or turn off) using the remote control's dedicated "DIRAC" button:

Make sure to save the project for further editing as needed, and then you can now "Exit" Dirac Live and go have a listen!


Step 9: Fine tuning - subwoofer levels too low and final bass tweaking.

So I select Slot 1 and listen to some music.

Hmmmm... I noticed something odd with the sound. The bass seemed excessively low! This was obvious within seconds of listening to material with strong bass content like Michel Jonasz's "Le temps passé".

[NOTE: It looks like this has been fixed in newer versions of Dirac Live. Worth double checking but I've noticed low bass volume no longer an issue with my Integra since Dirac Live 3.11 and also the latest Integra November 18, 2024 firmware update.]

Let's fire up REW and have a look, here a sweep of the front LCR channels plus the LFE subwoofers:

Interesting. Frequency response looks and sounds good from 70Hz going above the subwoofer crossover, but below that, clearly the bass is dropping off abnormally! It's as if the system is equalizing the LFE level to the rest of the channels rather than allowing the LFE to be at +10dB as normally intended (and subsequently lifting the sub-bass for the other channels).

Let's log into the Integra DRX-8.4's webpage configuration (the device's IP address, default login and password "ciuser") and see what the relative channel levels have been set to:

For some reason Dirac Live seems to be over-attenuating the subwoofer levels, especially the more powerful Subwoofer 1 (Paradigm SUB1). As far as I can tell, I don't think I've turned on other settings that could be interfering with this.

As annotated in the image above, with some trial-and-error using REW measurements to determine how much to add, I increased the subwoofer levels up to +2 and +4dB. As part of the fine-tuning, I loaded the saved project and tweaked the subwoofer target curve shape for better sub-bass consistency, saving this into Slot 2 in the receiver:

Hmmm, maybe I need to target this to +10dB so there's no need to tweak the levels up, as above? Will try this next time...

BTW, just as the Subwoofer 1 level seemed unusually low, I noticed that Dirac Live didn't properly set the distance/delay either:

Strange that there was no value set for the more powerful Subwoofer 1. Unfortunately I don't see a way to manually change this. Am I missing something, or maybe this is intended with this Dirac implementation? The other speakers were all distanced in the 20-30msec range.

Step 10: Enjoy the music! And final verification.

Okay, let's now enjoy some music with Dirac Live Full Bandwidth dialed in. It sounds great now with excellent bass response!

For my edification and to show you my final results, let's verify that objectively the effect has been beneficial.

First, here's the frequency response for all 5.1 channels measured in REW before any kind of bass management or calibration at the listening sweet spot:

Nasty! That's what it looks (and sounds) like if you throw your speakers in a room without taking the time to at least use some kind of calibration system to adjust levels, crossovers, or relative distance of speakers from the listener. It's not unusual to see bass frequencies bounce around a 15-20dB range in most domestic listening rooms. As per Mitch Barnett's previous article on Dirac Live, below the Schroeder Frequency (typically ~200Hz), "the room is in control". Trained listeners should recognize the uneven tonality if not the somewhat "blurred", unfocused transients, on a track like Yosi Horikawa's "Bubbles" with Dolby Surround Upmixer turned on to engage the surround speakers.

Here's my final tweaked Dirac Live frequency response at the listening sweet spot:

Speaker tonality much more consistent, and frequency response tightened to about 10dB range now. Out of curiosity and for visual clarity, let's average the 5 full-bandwidth channels to get a sense of the system tonality with +/- 2dB range:


Other than the occasional dip, mainly in the surround channels, frequency response is within +/-2dB of the average.

There's a small, about +3dB bump from 20-30Hz I could suppress if I wanted to I suppose. That visceral sub-bass intensity can be exciting when the music/movie hits those subterranean registers! Note that this kind of relatively mild bass bump is small compared to the +6dB bass target we often see such as with the Olive & Welti target, intensity typically dipping down by 20Hz.

For reference:
From Olive, Welti & McMullin discussed in Toole (2015).

In the same way we can measure the time-domain step response to see the before-after effect with Dirac Live. Here are the step responses captured over 70ms:
A mess with speaker delays all over the place uncalibrated!

Significant temporal improvement as well. No pre-ringing artifact from the processing. The only issue is that the subwoofer appears a bit off - compare this to the results from Audiolense XO DSP simulation of ideally what the LFE step should look like. With the subs crossed at 70Hz, in practice I don't think I notice the difference even though it should be tighter. Perhaps the subwoofer time-domain performance is a result of the lack of delay set for "Subwoofer 1"?

While we're looking at these room sweeps, we might as well have a peek at the RT60 reverberation time in my room to make sure it looks OK:

Nothing scary here. Not much variation across the audible frequencies and among the different speakers. I'm happy to see RT60 below 0.5s in this room.

One last thing, let's have a peek at where Dirac Live has put the crossover points for each speaker:

Nice. 70Hz across the board including the height channels. The THX standard is 80Hz and having a lower crossover point will further reduce chance of subwoofer localization; which is even less of an issue with the 2 subs.

While not shown here, I also took some measurements 1 and 2 feet on either side of the sweet spot. These looked pretty good as well and similar to the variation discussed before. No, one does not need to sit exactly in the sweet spot to experience the benefits of the DSP correction.

Conclusions:

With Dirac Live, the listening experience has audibly improved. No doubt, it is a powerful tool that will let audiophiles and home theater enthusiasts optimize their sound quality effectively and relatively efficiently even if not completely automatically as in my case.

Like with other room correction DSP packages (eg. Audiolense XO, Acourate), the sound quality became smoother and better controlled. The benefit of using Dirac with the internal Integra DSP is that all speakers, including the height channels are handled in-the-box - no need for external hardware, software plug-ins or activate the convolution feature in Roon. Despite the extra steps needed because Dirac Live did not find the receiver in my home network automatically, the user interface was intuitive and smooth. Make sure you have a reasonably powerful CPU when using a laptop (I would recommend a modern quad-core) to reduce capture errors and improve the time it takes to calculate the filters.

Like with other power DSP filter-creation software, Dirac Live does require some know-how. As much as it would have been nice to just let the software automatically create the filters and expect a good-sounding calibration, in my case, I needed to put a bit more work into it when I realized the subwoofer output levels were low. Furthermore, it was beneficial to use REW to objectively guide further bass tweaking; it would have been impossible to achieve tight results simply "by ear"!

After the tweaking, Michel Jonasz's "Le temps passé" now sounds impressively deep and inviting (the track is off La Fabuleuse Histoire De Mr Swing, 1988, DR15). The dissonance of Sonic Youth's "Superstar" (off If I Were A Carpenter tribute album, 1994, DR9) is rendered with jarring emotional nuances. There's excellent spatial depth on Antonio Carlos Jobim's relaxing Wave (1967, DR10). The improved time-domain performance added to the surround effect of the Q-Sound encoded The Immaculate Collection (1990, DR12) and solidified the illusion of sounds emanating from all around the listener of a modern track like Francine Thirteen's "Queen Mary". And this is all just with 2-channel stereo. Even more to hear from the surround processor when fed DSP-corrected spatial multichannel/Atmos content! 😏

Audiophile companies would like us to think that the "high end" represents state-of-the-art sound quality which somehow over time will trickle down to more affordable products; I think many audiophiles (including myself) would argue that we've already exceeded the point of excellence in many reasonable-priced products and where we need to look is beyond mere 2-channel fidelity. The inclusion and evolution of better room-correction DSP in modern AV receivers is an example of taking a step forward to address room acoustics which are just as important as the sound of speakers and other hardware regardless of what price-point manufacturers are targeting.

Perhaps understandably, there are certain manufacturers who don't like the idea of room correction DSP, rather, they espouse superficial fluff, often coming from olde guys claiming to "hear" things with no evidence. For example, Paul McGowan of PS Audio thinks that the use of Dirac Live somehow creates a situation where one has to "hold your head in a vise" (see here, 1:10) to have the DSP be effective. That is blatantly untrue, especially when we're also taking multi-location measurements into account. Common sense would tell us that if it's that bad, nobody would want to use it in home theater applications! Yet this is where it's being implemented.

Moving one's head away from the targeted sweet spot regardless of the use of DSP is obviously sub-optimal, drop in quality dependent on room modal changes. The only difference is that without DSP, the listener is starting at a lower level of accuracy regardless of "high end" hardware. We must make sure to be mindful of the various parallel domains that work together to create "good sound" - the room itself and the various acoustic "treatments", whether physical room treatments or digital correction can be just as important as any hardware we buy. Hardware manufacturers conveniently downplay or ignore talking about this for the obvious reason that this is not stuff they sell. The wise, insightful audiophile must always keep this in mind.

While the results are excellent already, I am contemplating the US$299 purchase for the Dirac Live Bass Control (DLBC) upgrade. I imagine this will include independent target curves for each subwoofer, presumably no concerns about unusually low bass level, as well as more accurate subwoofer delay settings. For those who are using it, would love to hear your thoughts about DLBC!

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One last thing, I see that new firmwares have been released or are coming soon for a number of newer Onkyo, Integra, Pioneer (Elite) models. It's suppose to improve Dirac Live measurements, improve Amazon Music hi-res support, Tidal MAX hi-res streaming and both Amazon + Tidal Dolby Atmos streaming.

Hmmm, if multichannel/Atmos streaming works well with Amazon Music or Tidal, I'll have to consider switching over to those services instead of Apple Music. I wonder, is there a count as to how many Atmos albums are available on each of the services (Apple, Tidal, Amazon)?

I'm still hoping that Roon does a better job of supporting multichannel/Atmos in general and increases support for multichannel with Roon Ready devices like this Integra (discussed last time).

Hope you're all enjoying the music.

Addendum:
As I was ending the write-up, I ran across this interesting video about a microphone placement recommendation with Dirac Live:


Interesting that he's using a similar system as what I'm doing. I see he's also running 6 measurements in 2 rows but 8" horizontally and anteriorly rather than my 12" horizontally and 6" anteriorly. I suspect the effect would be about the same and the outcome sounds great. 

I echo his sentiment that the only persons who cares about optimizing sound quality to this degree is ourselves, so might as well focus on the sweet spot where we sit.

He suggested some Atmos material to test out: the car racing scene in Ready Player One (~13:00-15:00), check out the first 15 minutes of Gravity, and the Dolby Atmos Shattered demo. He also suggested the headphone-music-car-chase opening scene from Baby Driver which I haven't listened to yet. For dts:X, check out the "Gilderoy Lockhart" scene in Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets at 36:00 with cornish pixies flying around - very cool - and the "Rogue Bludger" (53:00) scene with the Quidditch game.

24 comments:

  1. Hi Archi,
    Looking at your room, I wonder why don't you place some kind of audio panels behind your speakers and to the sides of them? I see that you have bare walls there which must be sound reflecting. Some sort of diffusion or better yet absorption would be beneficial there to reduce the SBIR effect.

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    1. Hey there fgk,
      Thanks for the tip, yeah I definitely could put some absorption panels. Something movable so I can still access the cabinets behind the right speaker which is where I've stored a few items and music CDs (you can see the Logitech Transporter box through the glass of the top cabinet).

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  2. Hi amigo, I haven't put much thought into room collaboration. I'm not very technically skilled; it took me several attempts to use my Sony amp's auto-calibrate program. This is something I’m going to look into in the future. I'm also curious why the lack of sound-absorbing and diffusing panels.

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    1. Hey Dan,
      In part some laziness with not using more of the panels 🙂. Also, in part because it sounds pretty good already. With the RT60 reasonably well controlled, and sitting a few feet from the back wall, I suspect I'd get good mileage out of some ceiling absorption and bass traps. I'm thinking maybe putting some Atmos ceiling speakers first then I can figure out where to put some absorption up there. Bass traps would be good in the corners.

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  3. Hej Arch,
    Thanks for this thorough and enlightening review of Dirac Live. I sold my 7.2 receiver and the only room correction I use today is the one integrated with the WiiM software and the one included with Roon. I bought the WiiM Amp and use it with my 2.1 Tv speaker set up. It has HDMI Arc, Sub out and Roon ready which were the deciding features I wanted. For anyone looking for an inexpensive feature packed solution for their tv this is a great buy. Instead of using the integrated mic in android/apple phones or tablets I bought the Dayton Audio iMM-6C USB-C Measurement microphone. https://www.daytonaudio.com/product/1974/imm-6c-idevice-usb-c-calibrated-microphone For 40 dollars this is an easy recommendation. It is pre calibrated and omni directional. A very well reviewed recommendation I have yet to test is AudioTool.https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.julian.apps.AudioTool
    I do, however, miss the enjoyment of a proper multi-channel system. I had to give up one my rooms to my eldest daughter who needed “more space and privacy”. I still have my music room though and if any of the other children want this room as well, they can have my bedroom instead and I will sleep on my listening couch! 😉
    Take Care
    Mike

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    1. Hey there Mike,
      Nice recommendation on the Dayton iMM-6C! Looks less expensive than the UMIK-1 and I assume you can connect the USB-C to computer/laptop with appropriate extension cable? I assume the design is also compatible with a mic stand?

      Might have to grab one to check out...

      Good man for sacrificing the multichannel system for the family! I trust the Wiim Amp correction system works well. I had a quick look, seems to be an automatic PEQ correction system (similar to the HifiBerry DSP Addon) and should do a good job with taming gross bass anomalies.

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    2. Hi. Here is the link to the forum page where i discovered the Dayton. Further down on the page he tests it with a USB extension and found little effect on the measurement. On the Amazon page there is a video showing it in use https://www.amazon.com/vdp/0c6c5b99d4ae4d32a161d7e3223de9f5?product=B0CMV914QV&ref=cm_sw_em_r_ib_dt_HZEPxfva1fcRx

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  4. Yo Arch, thanks for the walkthru and show how you're doing it with the mic positions. Good looking frequency response after the tweaks.

    Also thanks for bringing up some of these people like Paul McGowan and the videos and comments they put up, not just here but in your other posts also.I am glad to see many people push back on Paul's video about Dirac Live. I used to enjoy watching his videos but these days can't stand his wise grandpa schtick. He barely gives any useful information and I don't think I've ever seen him provide any evidence for what he says.

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    1. Hi, Reading your comment reminded me of a post on Audiosciencereview that sums it up nicely. // So much of audiophilia is a massive plate of Woo-Woo seasoned with magical thinking. It's refreshing to be able to read reviews that lack the abstracted, highly subjective language you'll see in traditional audio equipment reviews. And it's not that I dislike reading a florid, subjective assessment of a piece of electronic equipment; it's just that I enjoy more the serious evaluation of audio equipment without lavish claims of superiority that simply cannot be quantified.// Posted by NicS

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    2. Hey JS,
      I think it's important for audiophiles to speak up to nonsense in general. Obviously, so much of what we read and watch regarding audiophile products and claims are either incomplete ideas or often simply wrong. Yes, it's good to see that the comments to that McGowan "trashing" Dirac Live had many disagreeing with him.

      That "wise grandpa schtick" doesn't work for me either. He will often just smile and ignore debates as if "there there, everything's alright, audiophiles"... Sure, on the one hand this is all just hobby talk and nobody's going to die from misinformation, but isn't it better to listen to what others are saying and try to correct what you believe instead of perpetuating misinformation oneself?

      I assume Paul's literally just "talking his book" - I hope his Audiophile's Guide contains decent information rather than ramblings around typical audiophile old-skool beliefs with no evidence for stuff like cables, or phobias against digital, or even his strange love for DSD. Anyone have a copy? Any actual evidence/data in there?

      Regarding that point about DSD, isn't it interesting that he's such an advocate for DSP by championing Ted Smith's DAC designs which converts everything to 1-bit DSD internally (just DSD128 in the earlier DACs)? And over the years such claims for major sonic differences because of different FPGA firmwares that presumably tweak the DSP here and there. Unless proven easily with measurements, it's hard to take what McGowan states at face value when he claims stuff like "The bass was magically transformed"! 🤣 (Assuming of course that they didn't screw up badly with bugs in the playback of previous firmwares!)

      BTW, I had a quick look at Paul's recent "What happened to bass and treble controls?" video. How obviously wrong or at the very least grossly incomplete is that answer!? Of course there is still value for treble/bass controls in 2024 (even though we can do these manipulations in software these days)! His answer about "speakers and amps changed" fails even the commonsense test. Again, great to see viewers voicing disagreement.

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    3. Thanks for the discussion as usual, Arch.

      @Mike: Nice quote from NicS. All these years of being an audiophile I feel like I've wasted so much time reading the magazines and in the forums, watching videos, *learning nothing*. Except for places like this where audiophiles present a more objective viewpoint with actual graphs and numbers. Good thing I'm not afraid of measurements :-).

      Maybe I'm just getting too old to believe most of what people say anymore on the Internet.

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  5. Archimago, that's a thorough introduction to Dirac, as always on this blog!

    I have been using it for a number of years, both for stereo and surround (currently through separate devices), using a UMIK-1 like you. However, I haven't really played around with the curves too much. When I do my measurements, there's always a glitch or two (software, hardware, or both) that takes some time to solve, and then the actual measuring takes time too. So I usually end up recovering in my armchair instead of tinkering with the details... I should give it another try soon.

    For the record, Dirac is Swedish and so am I, so I might be biased here.

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    1. Hey Freddie,
      Sounds good. Maybe give it a try with the newest version and see if the glitches resolve. As I noted in my use of the software, I found that using the faster laptop made a big difference from the old Microsoft Surface 3. Not sure if the faster laptop running Windows 11 instead of 10 also made a difference.

      By default, the Dirac curve was flatter than the Dolby Atmos Music Target. I prefer the Dolby Atmos-like target's upper treble roll-off; subjective of course, so listen and see what you think...

      Interesting that the main DSP room correction systems I've talked about on this blog are all European.

      Dirac - Sweden
      Acourate - Germany
      Audiolense - Norway

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  6. Though I initially had some issues getting it to work properly, and there is definitely a learning curve to exploit it, I am mostly a fan of Dirac Live. One (perhaps unusual) way it has been a big help for me is that it helped a lot with the home-brew infinite baffle subwoofer I installed under the my floor. Its unequalized response is boomy and very uneven, but Dirac painlessly tuned it for me. Now I get (according to Dirac) flat bass down to about 16Hz. (As an aside, there is much less temptation to muddy things up by bumping up the level of 40-80Hz output when true deep bass shows up whenever the source includes it.)

    I wouldn't take on home brewing full range speakers and expect Dirac to bail me out, but that has worked out well for my sub.

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    1. Thanks for the note bluememe,
      Glad to hear that this worked out for you with the home-brew! That's cool, sounds like a nice under-the-floor project. Yeah, a bit of a learning curve to get to know software like Dirac, but well worth it.

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  7. Hi Arch. Reading your review and diving into the capabilities of Dirac I am now sorely tempted to invest in a new receiver for my music room. However that will also mean I have to purchase a new tv if I want to enjoy immersive movies as well. Dirac have Active Room Treatment which supposedly removes the need for unsightly bass traps and other panels. This new software will eventually be available as an upgrade in most established brands. TGIF // Mike

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    1. On the Dirac website they only list the (very expensive) Storm devices as compatible with ART. Have they announced broader availability?

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    2. Hi What I have found out is that officially Storm no longer have exclusive rights to the software and that would suggest that the software will be available for other manufacturers either integrated or as an upgrade option.
      It was initially speculated that it would be available for others in 2024. So hopefully sometime in 2025.

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    3. //Update. I have emailed Dirac regarding ART availability and await response.

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    4. Yeah ART is supposedly coming to other hardware in the next year, let's see.

      Until more of us have a chance to play with the capabilities, it's good to be cautiously optimistic around capabilities especially in untreated rooms!

      Let us know what they say Mike...

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  8. Archimago, Thanks for doing this breakdown of Dirac 3! I've been using DSP in my audio systems for about 20 years now, and I hope to try out a Dirac setup (with bass control) quite soon. I would like to comment on a few things about your post.

    First, the missing bass bug has since been reported fixed. A big issue with all software DSP has been willingness and ability of the vendors to keep up with bugs, and your experience reinforces that concern. Gazing ahead, I wonder if AI might have some role in helping troubleshoot software in the days ahead.

    Second, it's a shame that any manufacturer would supply an uncalibrated microphone with a $3,200 DSP product. The human ear can detect sub-dB changes in frequency response, so the accuracy of the microphone is always a potential weak spot. The YouTube you linked shows differences of a few dB in spots between microphones, and if they don't arise from positioning differences, they definitely will be audible. To get the best results, we should start with the best data, and that can come only from a calibrated microphone.

    Third, I wonder about target curves. Are you aware of any readily available libraries of Dirac target curves? Also, do you know of any software to visualize and edit Dirac target curves, aside from opening Dirac itself? It would be great to have some parametric control of the curve (e.g., specify adding a bass boost of 3 dB starting at 200 Hz), along with the existing ability edit by dragging points around, which though useful, lacks precision and ease of replication. Or have I, not yet much of a Dirac user, misunderstood something?

    I'm glad you are writing about DSP products. It's too little covered these days, and it's an important part of getting an audio system to sound natural.

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    1. Hey there Roth,
      Thanks for the note, you're right, since the article, there is already an update to the software: 3.11 available now. Let's just say I'm currently playing with DL Bass Control and I've noticed that bass level has been fixed, no longer needing to change my subwoofer levels.

      Yeah, for >$3000, a better-than-the-puck mic would be nice :-). Indeed, a dB here and there would be audible so it's good to be as precise as possible.

      I don't know of larger target curve libraries but there is one from Storm Audio with their Cinema Curve for LCR, sub, surround:
      https://www.stormaudio.com/tools-guides/

      Audio Advice has their +3/4/5dB bass gain curves:
      https://www.audioadvice.com/pages/audio-advice-dirac-target-curves

      There's are also some ZIP files with curves on this ASR forum thread:
      https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/targets-for-dirac-live.53435/

      If you open up the curve files in a text editor you can see what they're doing with the points and Low/High frequency ranges. Alas, I don't see specific PEQ feature within the Dirac target curve design UI. I'm quite okay with the control points and the smoothing the software applies. I might be wrong, bur I read that you can have >100 control points if you wanted that level of granularity. I don't think I've ever used more than maybe 20?

      Within the audiophile community, I think we need to push against what seems to be a phobia (by definition irrational) about DRC given the excellence of these techniques in the 21st Century!

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  9. Great post discussing your Dirac calibration. I can answer a few questions that came up in your discussion:

    1. Dirac time-aligns speakers in the system relative to the slowest or "most-late" speaker, which is generally a subwoofer as they tend to be placed further away and may include significant onboard DSP processing, which adds latency. Naturally, this means that when setting per-channel delays, the subwoofer will be 0ms and other speakers will be delayed to match. FWIW, your delays of 20ms+ are quite high. That's longer than a frame at 60 Hz. The longest delay in my system is the furthest surround speakers at 13.5ms. I suspect that delay is a result of latency in your subwoofers. If they have active DSP, it could easily add 5-10ms of processing latency. You could try temporarily taking the subs out of the system and then calibrating again to see what each remaining speaker is set to. Additionally, if there is a way to defeat some or all of the DSP in your subs, give that a try.

    2. Dirac always sets a default crossover of 70 Hz. With DLBC, you will be able to set the crossover in the Dirac app in 1 Hz increments per speaker group and then "Calculate" to generate a predicted response curve based on your setting. I tend to go up and down by 4-5 Hz to find the best predicted response and then measure with REW once the configuration has been uploaded to the AVR.

    I see a small null at 40 Hz in your measurement, nothing too bad, but I bet DLBC can fix it (maybe with moving one sub a bit).

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  10. Hi Arch. I've been a Dirac user since 2014. I have it on three of my Window's boxes including the Mele Quieter 3. It was a challenge to make it actually work on the Mele. What I found I needed to do was scale back temporarily my video rendering from 4k Hdr to 1080p. At that point it stopped choking and did the job. I have multichannel DLBC and something else I'm beta testing. Personally, I don't think I'd ever want to go away from Dirac. Even if its corrections are not quite as good as Accourate or AudioLense, it's obviously much more intuitive to use and does give superior results. Moreover, it runs on both Window and Apple natively, something I don't think the other guys can claim. So, yes, very happy with it for both correcting the two channels system with subs, and also the multichannel, and doing it all as vst plugins for JRiver able to run on a $200 celeron processor PC. For me that's hard to beat.

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