Hey guys and gals, just thought I'd throw in a little something this week not related to audio as I finish some further measurements on the Topping DX9 DAC I've been talking about over the last couple weeks. As I noted last time, I found an unexpected 192kHz frequency response anomaly with the DAC and I know Topping are looking into it. So I figure I'd give it a bit more time to see if they can get an updated fix out before I publish Part III. Always good I think to publish the "freshest" data.
So, this week, let's do a little show-and-tell for my new travel camera - the Sony α6700 APS-C mirrorless camera with its 18-135mm/f3.5-5.6 kit lens (~US$1400 body only, US$1800 with lens).
While in the last decade, I've focused more on the audiophile hobby, over my lifetime, I've shifted between photography and audio. Before I started this blog in 2013, from about 2005-2012, I had been doing way more photography after my kids we born. Those were the days of the transition to the early dSLR cameras. I still have the Canon EOS Rebel and Nikon D70, both 6Mpix from that era as basically "museum" pieces here that I'll have to use as decoration in the man-cave one day. The Nikon system won out for me because I had more lenses for that than the Canon and eventually I upgraded to the Nikon D200 (10Mpix), then D300 (12.3Mpix), and eventually D800 (36.3Mpix) by 2012.
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A look at my partial museum of camera bodies. Konica Minolta Dimage A2 (8Mpix, 2004), Canon Digital Rebel (2003, 6Mpix), Nikon F80/N80 (2000) film body. |
While technology continued along and I continued to collect full-frame Nikon 35mm lenses since then, it's interesting I think that I no longer felt the need to upgrade my "high-end" digital camera bodies from the excellent D800 in 2012! Certainly when it came to the megapixel-wars, once I hit 36MPix, there really wasn't anything else I needed for resolution since I'm in no way planning to shoot pictures for billboards. While low-noise performance of the sensor has improved over time, I don't think we're looking at massive changes that demanded regular upgrades unless I was more of a professional. As with all technology, including audiophile stuff of course, there is a point of diminishing return beyond which at least the amateur enthusiast can feel they're more than adequately satisfied. Thankfully, like with audiophile stuff, I have not been afflicted by camera Gear Acquisition Syndrome (GAS) in the last number of years. 😆
Having said this, I did buy the much less expensive and smaller mirrorless Sony α6000 in 2014 when I went for a trip to S.E. Asia and China. Admittedly, the much more compact size and lower weight of this camera while maintaining image quality was liberating!
Though I still love the picture quality of the Nikon D800 and its complement of lenses, I must admit that the α6000 with APS-C sensor is easily the best choice for my trips abroad. The 24Mpix quality is more than I'd generally need, the speed, user experience, quality of the EVF (electronic view finder) have served me well. Image quality of the camera is significantly better than a smart phone with those tiny sensors which can have an impressive 'pop' using a fair amount of digital processing, but nothing beats the light-gathering naturalness of a good sized image sensor!
[For comparison, my Google Pixel 8 can achieve very impressive picture quality but only has a 1/1.31" or 19.4mm diagonal sensor size. This is 9.8 x 7.4mm compared to the Sony APS-C sensor size of 23.6 x 15.7mm. Area of the APS-C sensor is just a little more than 5x that of the smartphone.
Canon's APS-C size 22.3 x 14.9mm a little smaller than Sony/Nikon/Pentax/Fuji.]
Over time, as things get old, issues happen. I've noticed in the last year that the α6000's electrical contact with the lens sometimes needs reseating. One of the dials is not as responsive. The Sony 18-200 f/3.5-6.3 zoom lens still works but showing occasional glitching with the optical stabilization.
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Sony α6000 and α6700 relative body size/shape comparisons. Notice the larger right hand grip on the α6700 which encloses the larger battery. |
The natural upgrade/replacement then is the α6700 body and I figured I'd also grab the 18-135mm OSS lens as a packaged deal with extra battery and some memory cards.
Basically everything's an upgrade with this camera - higher resolution viewfinder, crisper brighter 3" touchscreen rear display with more flexibility than just tilt, faster autofocus points (759), 4K video with 60/120fps HFR, better battery life with the NP-FZ100, 10Gbps USB-C connectivity, dust and moisture seal (not waterproof), and in-body image stabilization (5.5 stops rated). The in-body stabilization is great to have along with ISO up to 32,000 auto for those low-light stills.
The backside illuminated Exmor R CMOS sensor is an upgrade to 26MPix, and the dynamic range capabilities look good in objective testing. One feature that has been removed since the α6000 is the pop-up flash which I rarely used; the α6700 does have a hot-shoe to attach an accessory flash if needed though. Camera start-up and responsiveness is very noticeably faster as well.
While the new sensor will improve my still images, I'm looking forward also to the 4K video capabilities of this camera. The sensor on this camera is the same as the Sony FX30 Cinema Line; a couple significant differences being that the FX30 has a fan to keep the electronics cooler for long video shoots and dual card slots. Also, these cameras support S-Log for wider color gamut, 10-bit color, and 4:2:2 chroma subsampling so it could be fun to play with capturing and editing HDR video content. There's also the S-Cinetone color profile to try out for hopefully a good out-of-camera look. With my recent foray into DaVinci Resolve, maybe I'll see about exploring more of the videography pursuit hobby down the road! Lots to learn and play around with.
Speaking of video, it's important to think about memory card speed. For 4K video with higher frame rates, the α6700 requires fast memory writes. As you can see, I've been a fan of Lexar memory which haven't failed me in the last decade (fingers crossed). The bottom two are Lexar Pro Silver V60 256GB and 128GB cards; the V60 refers to video writes at 60MB/s. As a rule of thumb, these V60 cards should be fine with 4K video and the price point is very reasonable (currently about $50 for the 256GB). If you're shooting 8K video, consider getting the V90 card which is currently a substantial jump in cost.
In my testing with the Sony α6700, these 1667x Lexar Pro Silvers have been keeping pace reliably with 4K/120fps/10-bit/4:2:2 maximum video settings targeting ~285Mbps (about 36MB/s) over many minutes of video capture so I don't see a need to spend more.
This camera does not come with a battery charger! I guess they expect you to plug in the USB and charge inside the camera body?! This is kind of silly. So I highly recommend getting an extra NP-FZ100 battery and inexpensive external battery charger like this with the indicator to let you know when done:
One last fun product to consider would be a Nikon F-lens adaptor for the Sony NEX/E-mount body so I can put some of my Nikon glass to use with the sensor. I have an inexpensive manual one like this and I see that there are also expensive ones that support autofocus/VR.
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Sony α6700 with large aperture, inexpensive Nikkor 50mm f/1.4 via lens adaptor. |
All manual focus and aperture control with the adaptor. The α6700's 1.07x magnification, 1024x768 OLED viewfinder does a fine job for manual focus.
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Sony α6700 + Nikkor 50mm f/1.4 lens at f/2. |
Admittedly, I seriously considered the Sony Alpha 7 IV body (~US$2000) also. A full-frame sensor would be awesome but as a travel camera, size and weight matter - not just the body itself but full-frame lenses too (plus more expensive of course). Ultimately the lower cost, smaller size, <500gm body weight of the α6700 just made much more sense for my needs.
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Nikon D800 full-frame beside Sony α6700 APS-C. Over the years I have lugged the D800 and lenses overseas! The Sony is clearly a lot more convenient on vacation! |
Like with audio systems where there are many domains that contribute to good sound, so too with camera systems. No matter how great the camera body, the lens can make or break all the imaging potential available in the sensor. The included kit Sony 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS performs reasonably well on reviews, achieves good quality, has convenient range when traveling and isn't too expensive (~US$650). I'm quite impressed by the quiet and fast AF.
A few local shots from the Sony α6700 +18-135 f/3.5-5.6 OSS - pictures captured in RAW, processed in Adobe Camera Raw 17.1 + Photoshop, some cropping, resized, minimum brightness adjustments without fooling around with color saturation:
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River District - newer development in S. Vancouver. |
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Brand new condo units anyone? Image corners look good without significant vignetting. |
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Hmmm, there's gotta be a good background story with this vehicle! |
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Logging down the Fraser River. |
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Lens bokeh not distracting or "nervous" in the background through the circular lens aperture. |
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135mm zoom is far from optimal for birding... But if the subject isn't too far away and with a little bit of judicious cropping, it could be alright. Bokeh again looks good. |
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Minimum focal distance about 1.5'. Okay for reasonably close-up "macro" shots. |
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Spring is here and the insects making their rounds. |
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Some shots just seem to demand the monochromatic treatment. |
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Urban Canada goose. Sony α6700 + adaptor + Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8 (200mm, 1/1000s, f/8). |
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Another bokeh shot - ISO100, 84mm, f/5.6, 1/250s. |
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Sony 18-135mm lens at 135mm, still sharp. |
Nice photos! As good as smartphone cameras are these days, nothing beats a
ReplyDeletecamera with interchangeable lenses. I can't stand fake bokeh effects, and smartphone photos often have a general over-processed look that just can't compare. Just like with audio I suppose - too much DSP/digital manipulation ruins the end result.
Happy travels Arch!
Yup MB,
DeleteToo much processing and it gets pretty nasty. Thankfully things are getting better on the newer generation phones just as DSP in audio is getting better with the precision and algorithms thanks to the faster processors running more efficiently with less power (and noise) these days.
Fake bokeh can look really funny; like those Zoom calls where the computer tries to blur out the background. 😐
Digital photography on the whole is great, I have nothing against it, but I do miss the mystery and the value photos had in the past because of the difficulty and expense of taking one on film. Mystery as in, the wait and anticipation before you could finally see your photo after getting it developed. The suspense was half the fun! I was lucky enough to graduate just before serious digital photography became really widespread, had some good times in the darkroom at my university :)
DeleteCool MB,
DeleteIt's interesting as we get older the things we hold dear being those memories of a time when things were more difficult. My very first camera was back in early high school which was all manual as well, a Pentax, I need to see if my dad still has that one. My dad was very much into photography when I was a kid and would set up a temporary darkroom in one of the bedrooms; good memories watching dad develop the film and seeing the images show up in the print.
Definitely a sense of mystery and patience needed those days to get the job done!
Nonetheless, from the perspective of capturing those memories, I don't miss those days of dropping off rolls of film to the photo department at the local K-Mart after vacation with friends and hoping that I got a few well-focused decent keepers in the bunch 😐.
Hi amigo,
ReplyDeleteI'm a hobbyist photographer as well. I've recently bought the Sony A7C II. I wanted a full-frame camera, and I think the A7C II is excellent. However, if I could go back in time, I would have bought a Micro Four Thirds camera instead.
Carrying the A7C II around with me is often off-putting, and I tend to leave it at home. It's a great camera, but the size and weight do affect how much I use it.
I'm currently using the Tamron 28–75mm f/2.8 and the Sony FE 70–300mm f/4.5–5.6 G lenses.
P.S. If you're interested, my Flickr page is: https://www.flickr.com/photos/201930385@N04/
Nice Dan,
DeleteBeautiful rolling hills and animals! What's that lovely town with the sheep? So serene!
I have a Tamron SP 24-70 f/2.8 on my Nikon D800 which I use all the time for the blog pictures like the shots of the Topping DX9 recently. I don't remember how many years ago I bought that one. Had to use the warranty on it once when the stabilization failed which the company honored without question - possibly my fault when camera bag fell a few days before I noticed an issue, but there was no physical external damage. Probably close to 10 years ago; no issues since.
Nice Sony A7C II - full-frame images look amazing with great DOF. As you noted, the size and weight is a negative when it comes to just taking the camera out... Hey, it's still a heck of a lot better than lugging my Nikon D800 + FF lenses around. On the plus side, at least doing so builds arm muscles. 🤣
Hi amigo. Thanks for taking the time to check out my photos. I think the village is called Chatsworth. I've only just started uploading my photos to Flickr. Landscape photography is not my usual style. I feel that I struggle with taking nice landscape photos, so I've been practising my landscape photography skills.
DeleteNice. Looking around images on the web, that looks like St. Peter's Church in Chatsworth, Derbyshire. I'll need to visit that part of the world one day!
DeleteIf you're interested in visiting England, I recommend staying in York. There's lots to do in York and Yorkshire, and the trains in York are well connected.
DeleteAnother interesting topic! I bought my latest (last?) significant HiFi gear about 3.5 years ago, and then shortly after that my first good (Sony) camera. Since then I have suffered badly from "GAS" so now I have all kinds of stuff, which I've already spent more money on than all my HiFi :)
ReplyDeleteI still have so much to learn, but I enjoy it, which is the most important thing to me. And fortunately this stuff has decent second hand value if I ever get tired of it...
Hey there Freddie,
DeleteYeah man, need to make sure not to get too "GAS"sy 😀. The nice thing is that at least good lenses do tend to keep value especially if one buys from the used market with a decent haircut.
Enjoy! While I think my HiFi purchases currently still outstrip the $$$ spent on camera equipment, I think that in the years ahead, I'll be putting more back into the camera gear.
I have a limited photography budget, but after 10 years of APS-C (Canon 7D) and µ4/3 (Panasonic GX7, Olympus EM5/II) I have happily settled on Sony's A7R III for the last 4 years. I don't need the 42 MP for billboards any more than you do, but boy, has it been a revelation for cropping. My final images are so much more flexible and rewarding. Don't think I will be going back to smaller sensors, even for overseas travel, where I can surely cope with my body and Tamron 28-200, plus tiny Samyang 45mm ƒ/1.8 for night and light.
ReplyDeleteNice set there tnargs!
DeleteYeah the latitude with 42MP to crop is truly massive! Hmmm, I like the idea of having a small ~30mm (~50mm full-frame) larger aperture prime lens for those evening shots on the APS-C. I see a few options out there...
Hej Arch
ReplyDeleteWe seem to share similar interests. I inherited from my father a very large collection of Minolta glass which he accumulated during the seventies. For several years they gathered dust until I read an article about using vintage lenses on digital cameras. Fortunately, I was already using an early generation Sony A7 full frame so all I had to do was buy an adapter. Shooting with these vintage lenses is enjoyable and rewarding. You need more patience and focusing skills, but the experience is very satisfying. Using them returned my love for photography. Certainly, modern cameras and lenses do make the hobby a lot easier with image stabilization, auto -focus etc.
There is also an economic aspect. Vintage lenses are mostly far cheaper than their modern equivalents. Some good prime lenses with excellent glass can be had for a fraction of what their modern counterparts would cost.
Noticed the photo of a guitar. Is that a Simon and Patrik?
Take Care and enjoy your holidays.
Cheers
Mike
Looks great... I've been using a Fujifilm X-T4 for awhile now, which is great for casual outings/vacations, etc. But back in the day, I used to do my personal photography with 4x5 film, and now I find myself craving higher resolution than these aps-c cameras deliver. It's kind of like endlessly wanting higher and higher resolution in one's midrange and tweeters! So my next camera will be a used one of these, and HOPEFULLY that will satisfy me for awhile🤪: https://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/gfx-50r.htm
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