Saturday, 30 August 2025

SUMMER MUSINGS: What could possibly be wrong with the High-End Audiophile Industry?! 🤔 (The supplier side of audiophoolery.)

Alas all good things end including summer, so this will be the last instalment to my "Summer Musings" series for the year. For completeness, since we talked about the "audiophool" consumer hobbyist last time, let's make sure to address the other side of the coin when it comes to audiophile silliness - the supplier manufacturers, and the media that sell us stuff.

As a pre-emptive comment against sounding like a grumpy old man who doesn't want audiophiles to have fun, let me just say that this commentary is not against "having fun". If fun means enjoying your music, trying out different hardware, exploring the various sounds you can achieve at all kinds of price points, I'm totally on board with that!

However, freedom to do all kinds of things obviously doesn't imply that we shut down our brains and accept that "anything goes!". Many things can be a lot of fun at the time but not good for us, the hangover could be nasty, and regrets more common than we might want to admit. So if there's foolishness when it comes to the Industry itself, let's make sure to think about that and come to terms with it for ourselves.

In the recent post about audiophoolery, Solderdude and Mikhail wrote the following comments:

Solderdude 18 August 2025 at 23:13

I have often wondered how many snake-oil sellers actually believe in what they are selling and are equally 'misguided' by their hearing (they are human after all). Examples could be Paul McClown and Danny.

Some, for sure, are just unscrupulous money grabbers (think Machina Dynamica and absurdly priced cable sellers).

And, oh boy, most audiophools as well as audiophiles usually have plenty of money to spend on their hobby and being human and lacking actual knowledge are very easy to 'hear' things that aren't there just as they are equally fooled by optical illusions.

Some might simply have fallen for the same 'perception effects' and fully believe in what they are selling. Are these sellers also unscrupulous ?

Perhaps only the ones that sell their wares at way too high margins for what it costs to manufacture ?

Mikhail 19 August 2025 at 07:18

Should we start calling this sector of the audio industry "alternative engineering"? If there was Federal Audio Administration they would require putting labels like "Claims not verified by double blind testing" and "This product is not intended to actually improve the sound of your audio system" on their products.

Interesting points. Let's talk about this.

To start, let's just zoom out and look at the Big Picture. Beyond forum audiophile debates. Beyond talking about measurements and whether we believe them. Beyond the "tribes" of audiophiles like "subjectivists" and "objectivists", there is the basic truth noted by Mikhail that audiophile product advertising by manufacturers is for the most part unregulated; for better or worse there is no "Federal Audio Administration". This has significant implications for the messages we receive as hobbyists and potential biases from those in the mainstream or social media that deliver the messages.

While individual audiophiles can claim this or that personally in forums, blogs, podcasts, and videos, these usually do not cause widespread impact. For example, once awhile, we see odd things like the Bughead Emperor music player a decade back during the "computer audiophile" years as discussed here and elsewhere. A hobbyist project like this can get a few audiophiles interested, but they come and go without creating long-lasting effect, because, well, in this case regarding music player software, eventually the "bits are bits" concept gets recognized as truth.

Manufacturers in comparison have a lot more power when it comes to creating influence since they have financial investors, advertising budgets and multi-generational product cycles. They're out to make money and "stretching the truth" in advertising is commonplace although there are limits as to what can still be considered within ethical boundaries. Without regulations applicable to many types of audio products (an exception might be FTC's rules on amplifier wattage claims), companies can almost literally advertise whatever they want, how they want, especially when it comes to esoteric, luxury products.

Whole industries like the "high-end cable" sector exist with probably hundreds of companies worldwide selling products without regulatory oversight. Some companies might be a bit more conservative in their advertising and would not push their products' benefits too far, whereas others will unabashedly make claims of significant sonic effects with no objective evidence. At audio shows, I've attended AudioQuest, Nordost, and Synergistic Research demos for example clearly intending to send a message to audiophiles that their products "sound better". Other advertising (like this AudioQuest HDMI one a number of years back) went a step further to change the sound to imply that the cable had an effect which is clearly false advertising.

[It's nice when companies like this and this can make fun of the obviously lucrative high-margin cable market.]

Nonetheless, consumer protection rules and regulations do exist around the world although enforcement might be weak. Governmental and independent agencies like the FTC in the USA, ASA based in the UK, Office of Consumer Affairs here in Canada, ICPEN internationally, and others exist, so I suppose worse comes to worse, an audiophile can appeal to these agencies or report on fraudulent companies if worth the hassle.

As for legal statutes, there's the "Business Practices and Consumer Protection Act" here in British Columbia, Canada. I imagine the content of this legislation is similar through most jurisdictions. Here are a few excerpts to consider (underlining and some bold added):

4   (1) In this Division:

"deceptive act or practice" means, in relation to a consumer transaction,

(a) an oral, written, visual, descriptive or other representation by a supplier, or

(b) any conduct by a supplier

that has the capability, tendency or effect of deceiving or misleading a consumer or guarantor;

"representation" includes any term or form of a contract, notice or other document used or relied on by a supplier in connection with a consumer transaction.

(2) A deceptive act or practice by a supplier may occur before, during or after the consumer transaction.

(3) Without limiting subsection (1), one or more of the following constitutes a deceptive act or practice:

(a) a representation by a supplier that goods or services

(i) have sponsorship, approval, performance characteristics, accessories, ingredients, quantities, components, uses or benefits that they do not have,

(ii) are of a particular standard, quality, grade, style or model if they are not,

(iii) have a particular prior history or usage that they do not have, including a representation that they are new if they are not,

(iv) are available for a reason that differs from the fact,

(v) are available if they are not available as represented,

(vi) were available in accordance with a previous representation if they were not,

(vii) are available in quantities greater than is the fact, or

(viii) will be supplied within a stated period if the supplier knows or ought to know that they will not;

Prohibition and burden of proof

5 (1) A supplier must not commit or engage in a deceptive act or practice in respect of a consumer transaction.

(2) If it is alleged that a supplier committed or engaged in a deceptive act or practice, the burden of proof that the deceptive act or practice was not committed or engaged in is on the supplier.

In the "representation" section we find text about what "deceptive" practices are. These are wide-ranging including misrepresentation of quality, performance, benefit, and amount (important for claimed limited edition collector items). Deception can happen at any time with relation to the transaction. The burden of proof section makes it clear that if there are allegations that the claims are deceptive, it is the "supplier" of the customer transaction who has to provide proof.

This doesn't just mean the company that makes the product, but would include secondary advertising agencies, magazines/websites/video channels that facilitate the transaction. The only time that a publication can claim innocence around false advertising is when they're running ads on behalf of the supplier and unaware that the ad contains deceptive information:

Advertising

6 (1) In this section, "advertiser" means a supplier who publishes advertisements.

   (2) An advertiser who, on behalf of another supplier, publishes a deceptive or misleading advertisement is not liable under section 171 [damages recoverable], 172 [court actions respecting consumer transactions] or 189 [offences] if the advertiser proves that the advertiser did not know and had no reason to suspect that its publication would contravene section 5.

   (3) An advertiser, for each advertisement accepted, must maintain a record of the name and address of the supplier who provides the advertisement.

In the above comment by Solderdude when he said:

"I have often wondered how many snake-oil sellers actually believe in what they are selling and are equally 'misguided' by their hearing (they are human after all)..."

Indeed, I suspect there are both types of snake-oil sellers. Some, like the Machina Dynamica guy could seriously have strong beliefs in what he's selling, but then there are the Ted Denneys of this world, selling this kind of stuff who I suspect are totally aware of the confidence game they're perpetuating - delusional persons or liars, which is worse?

While we can suspect, it's not possible to prove the insightfulness (or lack of) of these individuals. In any event, I'm not sure if that matters when it comes to allegations of misrepresentation if any of that went before the courts since these guys (the suppliers) are still responsible to provide proof for what they claim.

At least more reputable companies are careful about their claims. For example, if PS Audio says that their power conditioner like this PowerPlant 20 will make your audio systems sound amazing, then perhaps one could claim possibly deceptive advertising and demand that they provide proof (measurements are not particularly complementary of this kind of product).

Instead, we see that companies regularly utilize subjective testimonies within the information they give to imply benefits at some arm's length. For example if we scroll down a bit in that PowerPlant 20 webpage, we see this:

Thanks to the kindness of such esteemed gentlemen like Michael Fremer, Rafe Arnott, Jeff Dorgay, Tom Lyle, and Jim Austin, PS Audio can use their words to make claims they would not be able to say themselves. Subjective opinions are what they are, and so long as the subjective message isn't misconstrued as objective (see ASA 3.6), that's at least not legally fraudulent even if some of us might find this sketchy.

And so it is that there has been this incestuous relationship between "high end audio" and the various media outlets, magazines writers, "influencers" who feed off this system as their profession - effectively the unspoken advertising arm of such companies (some further examples here and here). The company thus leverages third-party credibility of such individuals and uses these third-party testimonies as "social proof" to bolster their product. This kind of practice of course transcends audiophilia into many types of product - HE-MAN supplements anyone?

From recent South Park, Season 27 Episode 2. The "Masterdebating" podcast. ðŸ¤£
[BTW: Paul McGowan as a representative of PS Audio needs to be careful about making claims when talking about devices like the PowerPlant in his YouTube videos.]

Within this dynamic, conflicts of interest become key issues. When we read reviews, are we told whether the reviewer was given the product for free? Is it a "long term loan" - how long term? If bought, did they receive a considerable discount below market value? Can they resell the item at market value? Is it clear that their writings/videos (advertising) of products could result in any financial gain - either directly from the supplier as a paid review or secondary kickbacks? Do positive reviews result in other benefits like future advertising revenue for the publication? Maybe less obvious benefits like a free meal at the audio show and drinks at the bar (like this), exclusive demos, personalized home set-up, etc.

While conflicts of interest can bias all reviews since even objective measurements could be done in ways that favor a product and the written report would still contain subjective judgments, at least objective results provide us with non-imagined findings that can be replicated across different evaluators and likely in different audio systems. The extra challenge with objective reviews is making sure results are valid using calibrated instruments, consistent procedures used, variables adequately controlled, and a wide enough battery of tests are used to capture what's audibly important. In many ways, it's harder to construct objective reviews than purely subjective ones where the reviewer can just say almost anything without putting much thought into the testing procedure or methodically organizing results to present to the reader/viewer. I think this is at least in part why we don't see as many objective reviews - it's not as "fun", requires more technical knowledge, and actually takes work to get it done.

Recently, more subjective-only reviewers are making it a point that they're doing "side-by-side listening" (eg. this Darko.Audio video). Sure, while that's much better than comparing the sound to a long-gone-component and will improve reader's faith in the subjective opinion as reflecting "truth", there are still all kinds of issues of potential undisclosed conflicts, and limitations of uncontrolled evaluations. As discussed, we should never call this kind of evaluation "objective" because it's not.

Let's end off with talking about why truth-in-advertising and integrity matter; some things we want to avoid happening in this hobby so as to reduce more "phoolishness":

1. Let's not erode consumer trust any further.

IMO, erosion of trust among audiophiles has already happened thanks to the decades, nay, generations of non-sense we have witnessed within the magazines and online. The rise of "objectivism" among hi-fi hobbyists in the last decade is an expected natural reaction to the numerous issues that have arisen over the years causing damage to the level of "faith" among audiophiles.

Given all the objective results published out there, easy access to information, companies now also sharing data for their products, audiophiles have access to more detailed knowledge about high-fidelity technology than any time in history. It's certainly a far cry compared to when I was a beginner-audiophile in the '90s reading magazines and chatting with just-as-clueless hobbyists about silly green pens for marking up CDs! This access to knowledge has been a very positive change for the hobby.

Purely-subjective reviewers and publications of course cannot be happy about this because often the objective results can easily undermine their desire to influence (ie. their credibility). The whole MQA enterprise (dragging in senior members of magazines into the nonsense), and more specifically examples like Michael Fremer's attempt to hype it can be undone quite easily once we show the facts. It's no wonder that comments are shut off on some websites, and some YouTube videos' feedback heavily moderated to obscure criticisms (see comments for this guy's videos for example).

Discussed as recently as a few months ago, Stereophile likely just did not want readers to talk back as they embark on more nonsense like publishing this $5,000  "ZERO-Tech" product placement which I bet would have gathered a few snarky remarks, or to the highly questionable performance of the Volti Audio Lucera speaker review. ðŸ˜‚ Can't let the Industry sponsors be unhappy that audiophiles might want to question the benefits/values of such things, right? (I know, Stereophile posted this editorial; sure, whatever.)

If one is interested in meaningful high-fidelity sound evaluation these days, I think one would be better-informed by looking at the objective data for background research, then trying the device in your own system using your own ears/preferences, cutting the "middleman" subjective-only reviewer out of the sonic evaluation if possible. Subjective impressions about sound quality are more than likely meaningless - at best an idiosyncratic reflection of their ears, their mental state, and their specific systems, including their room of course

Note that this doesn't mean we shouldn't watch the subjective videos or read the testimonial articles! There's social entertainment to be had, and from a product evaluation perspective, these articles/videos can still be used for assessing appearance, build quality, user-friendliness, feature set, reliability, as opposed to seeing them as serious sound-quality assessments from "golden eared" influencers. I suspect in time, this kind of attitude among hobbyists will go a long way towards breaking that co-dependent manufacturer/conflicted-subjective-interviewer-as-advertising linkage for promoting questionable sonic claims.

$6000 in used gear; $9000 in cables, cleaners, lifters, power conditioners,
accessories, and tweaks.

2. Let's not waste time and money.

This one should be obvious. While it's a hobby and we can spend time and money in whatever way we see fit, there's still something to be said about being misled when we could have enjoyed music, spent money to encourage our favorite musicians or companies with good engineering that embody an ethical spirit.

Instead, questionable companies invite us to squander our productivity into enriching con-artists based on false ideas and typically grossly inflated prices. I trust this goes against the moral principles engrained in most of us desiring to act as wise consumers.

I also want to remind everyone not to judge, thinking that it has to do with socioeconomic status. Millionaires did not become rich and own assets because they were foolish and accepted whatever the salesmen told them. In the past, some have suggested that audiophiles who criticized products were somehow all just "envious" (like Michael Lavorgna did years ago or have to "COPE" because we're missing out) which is ridiculous much of the time; some stuff might be good, but why would anyone envy foolish decision-making with most of the very expensive stuff? Sure, multi-millionaires can afford expensive things, but why if ultimately they come to the same conclusion as a middle-income hobbyist that certain types of products from certain companies lack value?

Heck, I think the multi-millionaire audiophile enthusiast probably would experience greater gratification putting together his own Red Dragon speaker cables than just dropping money on some Nordosts for example. 😆


3. Let's not disadvantage and distract from ethical businesses that make quality products.

Because snake oil companies never actually add to technological progress in exchange for the money they take, the fostering of false beliefs disadvantage audiophiles from focusing on things that really do make a difference.

Consider for example the companies that make room treatment products (like GIK Acoustics, Primacoustic, Vicoustic, RealTraps, ASC) and provide useful analysis of room acoustics. I don't know the size of the "high-end cable" industry, but imagine if audiophiles shifted more dollars into making sure their rooms are better treated. Perhaps we could be rewarding companies like these that make useful products based on acoustic science or a company that innovates with materials and designs that would make meaningful impact.

There's a potential "virtuous cycle" if we invest in Industries that bring about advancement as they innovate and we as audiophiles and music lovers further benefit from each generation. After all these decades, has there been any meaningful sonic improvement if we compared generic 12AWG OFC copper zip cord speaker cables to the latest, greatest, and costliest Synergistic Research, MasterBuilt Audio, Nordost or AudioQuest? What progress has those companies made to improve audiophile quality of life, exactly? Is there even a need for so many cable companies in the "high-end audio" space?

4. As a hobby, let's make sure to not end up technologically stagnant.

Since snake oil companies do not propel technology forward but rather they just want to sell us fictional claims with "quantum" this and "mythical" that, excess focus on these companies/products result in stagnation. The Industry might end up in a cycle of promoting meaningless trinkets or even the worship of very expensive "over-engineered" luxury goods for little benefit (ie. grossly diminished returns).

All technology at some point will become antiquated, obsolete. Sometimes we have to let things go if they are relics of that past. I assume there might still be a group of enthusiasts excited about a new line of masterfully constructed and adorned horse-drawn carriages, but for transportation, a car has been the superior technology since the early 1900's.

For audiophiles, while there will likely always be a subgroup of us who will continue to be fascinated by anachronistic hardware (ie. tube amps, vinyl, turntables and cartridges, old analogue tapes, etc.), I don't hear/consider these products as possessing any "magic", nor the idealistic sonic "purity" of all-analogue media and gear as something special beyond audible and quantifiable distortions due to their technical fidelity limitations.

Some audiophiles speak of this stuff as "magic", effectively hyping up old analog gear, forever potentially consumed with the next $250,000 turntable (first 33.3rpm LPs released in 1948) with whatever essentially meaningless diminished returns at ever-increasing prices. Doesn't this all seems foolish, as if relentlessly chasing the wind, at some point? If the audiophile hobby becomes wrapped up mostly in esoteric retro stuff presented as having magical sonics, we could certainly be depriving ourselves of better audio technologies to be found beyond this myopic view.

I get the sense that the old-skool retro ideas of some audiophile writers and the kinds of products (yet more BBC LS3/5A-like speakers anyone?) featured in magazines touting higher-prices and luxury as desirable have already created a kind of culture that has perpetuated a strange pseudo-ideal of "purity". Within this culture, often beneficial features such as the use of EQ is looked down upon, modern digital streaming is somehow viewed as lower fidelity than analogue (false), or using more powerful DSP techniques such as room correction somehow seen as tarnishing the sacred idea of minimum processing. I also think for too long, magazines and reviewers have de-emphasized the importance of accurate spatial reproduction.

Hopefully, this evolves in the years ahead within mainstream respectable audiophilia as we embrace technological innovations and understand objective improvements in fidelity rather than hold on to false "received wisdom".

[Speaking of those tubes, vinyl, megabuck turntables and cartridges, etc.

The other day, I got a kick out of this Fremer video where he played a segment of Lori Lieberman's "Truly" on his very expensive turntable, cartridge, (pre)amp, speakers, etc. I believe that for hi-fi playback in the 21st Century, one should not need to make excuses for the presence of excess noise on playback as he often does. But even disregarding audible surface noise and some issues with adequacy of frequency response, the loss of resolution from his vinyl is obvious through the binaural recording. There's a muddled sound if you compare this to good digital playback of this song. I wonder if Fremer can hear that or maybe he's so used to it in that room that he thinks it's "better"? (I've spoken about the audibility of LP's inferiority through YouTube videos previously.)

To be clear, there's nothing wrong with loving vinyl, but let's just recognize that by design, LP's fidelity which might have been great in the '70s, has easily been supplanted since the arrival of digital audio, definitely as digital matured through the late '80s and '90s. Nostalgia, physicality, and collectability are powerful forces for us humans so absolutely enjoy those benefits of vinyl, but not for any kind of particularly excellent high-fidelity sound compared to a good digital master.

BTW, have a look at all the time he spent discussing the potential pitfalls of vinyl playback earlier in the video: combatting dirt/noise, ways of reducing turntable noise/timing issues, importance of proper EQ curves (we're talking +/-20dB adjustments to low-amplitude signals with the RIAA curve!), geometry variables like azimuth, rake angle, tonearm counterweights and calibration, etc. This kind of error-prone, kludgy, system will result in countless sound quality issues and obviously not high-fidelity audio playback of the 21st Century.]


In summary...

Enjoy the last bits of summer 2025, friends! 🥹

As usual, just be wise - don't be "audiophools" - about what we purchase, where we buy things from, the "influencers" we have faith in. Snake oil products, dishonest companies, biased opinions with conflicts of interests abound in all kinds of ways but perhaps worse in audiophilia when we see audacious marketing using bizarre claims sporting shamelessly huge price tags presented without evidence, as if there is true value.

I'm very much a capitalistic free-enterprise guy so I'm not sure I'd want the government to be too heavy-handed in regulations that could diminish innovation. I'd rather see that audiophiles are educated and can mindfully reward companies that do good work, disregarding empty advertising mouthpieces, and shunning scam companies and their representatives. Be curious and think critically about what is truly "new" and worthy of your attention.

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Let's end with some new albums this week.

I've been in a rock mood lately. For rock/pop lovers, I see Bryan Adams just released Roll With The Punches (as usual the multichannel version is more dynamic with DR11 average, compared to the 2-channel 24/48 DR6, examining the Apple Music offerings) - here's "Never Ever Let You Go":

And John Fogerty just dropped re-recordings of CCR material in Legacy: The Creedence Clearwater Revival Years (John's Version) (DR7 2-channel, DR12 multichannel) - here's an old-skool favorite redone, originally from 1970, "Have You Ever Seen The Rain":

One last video embed. A summer party tune to take us out - The Beaches with "Last Girls At The Party" (from No Hard Feelings, a tragic DR6 average for the 24/96 2-channel mix and reminder why hi-res is often not worth it, and much more dynamic DR11 multichannel mix):



Hope you're all enjoying the music.

22 comments:

  1. Often 'information' of experts in the field of audio gear (let's call them that) package nonsense within accurate information. That accurate bit is what people may know (or suspect) and think they can trust that 'expert'.
    The problems start when the nonsense is spouted and is packed in the usual audiophile wording. That too will easily be accepted as 'a truth'.
    This, to me, is the most dangerous part of the, often misleading and based on part truth, information.
    The mentioned Paul McGowan is a prime example of this as well as my fellow country man Hans Beekhuizen.
    With Paul usually he gives a clue where the nonsense starts.
    The video starts with Paul McGowan and after the 'weeeeelllll' he becomes Paul McClown and starts talking nonsense that audio-philes/-phools love to hear.
    The problem is the lack of deep knowledge about audio with the public. Having some knowledge is even worse than having no knowledge as they tend to believe what their favorite designer/brand/reviewer has stated about a design.

    This and the 'customer feedback' as well as (always positive) reviews from the well known channels will always be positive and boost sales.

    This hides the 'sketchy' stuff that readers really like to hear/read.
    Now and then throw in a 'negative point' that isn't really negative for most people and it sounds as if this is the next thing to buy.

    It is one big marketing machine where a lot of money is being made.
    Manufacturers/sellers need the 'audiophile press/YT' and they need the clicks that get generated when something new (and always better/greater) gets reviewed.
    People seem to prefer to read about a dream rather than have the dream spat apart like a nice looking soap bubble.

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    1. Weeeeellll, solderdude 😆,
      Interesting observations about the "McClown" part of his chats. I know what you're talking about being able to detect the switch between providing basic information (he never goes deeper as far as I have seen with graphs or other objective evidence to explain things) and then at some point switching over to the voodoo. Vaguely entertaining to watch.

      Your country man Hans is also fascinating in his ability to speak nonsense; conceal what his listening rooms actually look like (despite talking about all his systems - not a single photo of these rooms?), claims to hear minutiae despite clearly advanced age, and shamelessly using the measurement equipment as props! I wish him well given what clearly looks like health issues (DBS implantation a few years back for his neurological condition). It would be nice if he stopped contributing nonsense, of course.

      As sad and disgusting as the whole industry appears, this is what we've inherited as modern audiophiles. All we can do is our part in changing the culture and may the best ideas win out in the end.

      My feeling is that it'll be alright as hobbyists over time become educated and know that there's a significant contingent of hardware audiophiles out in the Internet who have moved on from the cult-like faith part of this hobby. 😇

      My hope is gradual cultural change among hobbyists. This will take years and many steps given the decades that it has been coming to this point; years to burn off the nonsensical thinking.

      We can each do our part in the process and remember to have fun in the process even if others might get a little angry and debates get heated. Step back when needed and sharpen the "masterdebating" skills. 😉

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    2. I don't know about bringing change slowly.

      IME people that are convinced are hard to convince that their convictions might need some adjusting.
      The longer people are 'stuck' in a certain way of thinking the firmer their belief becomes and the more intolerant they become.
      It is rare (but not impossible) for people to shed their belief (in any aspect in life).
      It is also really hard to convince 'subjective listeners' to get them to test in a different (better) way and do that correctly. Doing a blind test in a wrong way, often by lack of knowledge or because they think 1 or more aspects don't need to be as strict, can give 'false positives'.

      And even when they do get it right and suddenly seem to loose their 'ability to discern differences' due to a better testing regime they often go back to their former way of testing merely to find out they still can discern the (in reality maybe even non-existent) differences and blame the test method.

      Even a wake-up call (like many of 'us' may have experienced in the past) like playing with sliders of an equalizer in small increments and hearing improvements/changes only to find out the equalizer was not enabled and the improvements/changes were all inside their heads does not seem to make them think twice about their actual perception capabilities.

      Agreed... Audio (listening to music and/or playing with gear) is a fun hobby. Sometimes it is entertaining to see/hear/read the audiophile nonsense.
      All 'we' can do is provide info that might make people think twice.

      You (Archimago) are trying hard and IMO do this in the right respectful way.
      All 'we' can hope is that it resonates with some folks and get the nod of 'like-minded' people.
      In the end people look on the web for confirmation, not for things that make them doubt their belief or should I say what they are convinced of.

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    3. I hear you Solderdude,
      The highly entrenched mindsets are really really tough to change. However, I don't think there's need to change everyone, just enough to make the rational evidence-based objectivity form of audiophilia the core mainstream respectable hobby IMO!

      The good thing about audiophilia is that it's still "just" a hobby and a change of mind... change of heart... can be a reflection of tastes and shifts I think many of us do throughout the course of whatever hobby we might be pursuing. Unlike cults where family and social life become entrenched in a way of living, individual audiophiles (very much a solitary pursuit anyways!) can I think be free to re-evaluate their beliefs without great difficulty.

      I've certainly seen changes in mindset among audio friends who for decades were enthralled with fancy cables and bought weird "tuning beaks" and things like that. So long as the person is open-minded about learning truth and seeking answers, change happens.

      I think for any one of us the change can be pretty quick. Even if as a whole the process for the culture built around the hobby takes more time (with certain companies and advertising mouthpieces kicking and screaming all the way potentially!). Change will not be linear.

      A lot of the stalwart audiophile writers are very old now so I think what's more important is to have good information out there for the younger music lovers and audio enthusiasts. One can always have hope in the future generations.

      Audiophilia also has no charismatic, credible leaders taking the old ways of thinking forward in defense of "phoolishness". As such, I think a calm, measured, fact/evidence-based approach will do the job. "This is the Way" proceeding towards a path that I believe will stay on the right side of history. 😇

      As the old saying goes, "The only constant in life is change"; I think we'll see this in the audiophile hobby also, just a matter of time...

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  2. Hi amigo,

    I think in some cases standards and regulations can actually increase freedoms. In Britain, one can't be a surgeon without being trained for many years and passing strict tests.

    Should YouTube and online magazine reviewers make it mandatory for their writers and uploaders to display their education levels and qualifications, this could eliminate most—if not all—snake oil.

    Another question is how we can avoid blaming victims for being "fools". Should we introduce rules and regulations intended to prevent snake oil products? Or is it entirely a matter of personal responsibility not to be fooled?

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    1. Good points Dan.

      Certainly for some things, we definitely need clear certification! If it's professional in nature - like the surgeon - we better have clear qualifications and the Royal College better be regulating that well!

      However, when it comes to this hobby, I think it's nice that we can freely share our thoughts over social media in whatever form. Although I think for more "professional" publications like magazines and companies running a YouTube channel, it would be nice knowing the qualifications - or at least that their audiograms have been vetted if they're doing high-level Golden Ear sound quality opinions!

      No matter what, personal responsibility will be essential as we engage more with the Internet figuring out for ourselves how to judge what we see as true and valuable. Audiophilia really is just a small part of this given all the countless other ways each of us can fall victim to some foolish way of thinking!

      I'm basically a "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." kind of guy. I can certainly admit to having wasted money and energy on worthless things and ventures, so I've certainly been foolish in all kinds of ways when I look back! But I hope I've learned over the years... And so too I wish for fellow audiophiles. At some point, we can take a step back, re-evaluate what is true, and be foolish no more to the best of our abilities. 😌

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    2. " Should YouTube and online magazine reviewers make it mandatory for their writers and uploaders to display their education levels and qualifications, this could eliminate most—if not all—snake oil."

      There are plenty of 'notable' folks out there that have a relevant education and qualifications but still preach nonsense.

      Also... can readers/viewers/listeners truly differentiate between accurate information and 'imagined information' based on credentials of people making claims ?

      And... experienced folks without having a certain (relevant or not) level of formal education/credentials might have very useful info to share.

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    3. Hi solderdude,

      I agree there's plenty of "qualified professionals" who believe in rubbish, or are purposely telling lies to sell products. Also, qualifications are only as good as the standards of the people handing out those qualifications, but I hope Britain has trustworthy education standards.

      If a British university created an audio product reviewers’ certificate, I would trust it as proof of knowledge. Regulations, however, are different from qualifications. Qualifications won't stop anyone from doing something malicious; regulations are what help prevent malice.

      I would support the British government making laws that say no advertisers can claim that a cable makes an audible difference without evidence. I would also support making it mandatory for reviewers to clearly display disclaimers stating that they are not qualified and that their views are subjective opinions.

      Ps, amigo, I just picked a surgeon because it happened to come to mind. There's lots of jobs in Britain that require qualifications and just meant it as why not include reviewers.

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    4. Hey there Dan,

      "I would support the British government making laws that say no advertisers can claim that a cable makes an audible difference without evidence. I would also support making it mandatory for reviewers to clearly display disclaimers stating that they are not qualified and that their views are subjective opinions."

      That would be amazing legislation. Not just for cables but more generally the idea that any advertising utilizing science/engineering-based rationales for products having a positive effect, the company must be able to produce the results without hesitation when asked by the public or "truth-in-advertising" compliance auditors.

      Hey, if you or buddies have a legal background or know of lawmakers able to do that - would love to see the country go for it! 😉

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  3. Hej Arch,
    You will be kept busy replying to all the comments that articles such as this are bound to create.
    Nicely written, well researched, and as always, a very enjoyable read.
    This is of course familiar territory; a topic that has been discussed ad infinitum but is nonetheless always relevant and sadly prevalent in our hobby. It always confounds me that hi-fi enthusiasts able to invest so much money on debatable products are probably quite savvy people. Probably well-educated and normally not gullible. Yet, despite all their smartness, they are so susceptible to the most absurd proclamations. Perhaps they have been brought up to believe that you get what you pay for. There are no short cuts if you want the best, yet this industry, as in so many others, has discovered that financial rewards lie in marketing the brand name. The logo is more important than the product. Look at the watch industry. There are countless brands that would never be able to charge enormous sums for their watches even though they produce watches on par or even better than some glorified brands.
    I think you could compare some of these grossly inflated products to modern art and how their prices have soared through clever marketing and praise from well-known art critics. Recently a banana taped to a wall with duct tape sold for 6,2 million dollars. Supposedly art's essence lies in its ability to evoke thought and emotion. No longer does art itself hold any value, instead it is the artist’s idea that one pays for. Perhaps when we buy power cables that cost 50 000 dollars, we are not actually paying for the cable but the promised idea that it will elevate your listening experience to something otherworldly.
    Take care
    Cheers
    Mike

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    1. Thanks for the note Mike,
      Yup, familiar territory, but I hope with each article we can think more about these fascinating aspects of human psychology/culture/philosophy, fleshing out the territory a little bit deeper... And for each of us, I trust there will come a time when we've thought about this enough and confident to speak of it in those countless forum debates. 😂

      You're opening up the very important market segment of luxury products when you bring up the cost of things like in the wristwatch industry.

      I can see this as exactly what some in the audiophile industry is wanting us to accept with their "high end" products but I think they're doing a poor job executing that vision. The problem is that they cannot do this if they remain tied to the utilitarian claim of sound quality! Notice how the luxury wristwatch industry does not insist that a fancy Rolex is "more accurate" than a Timex. Yet we somehow have to feel that $200,000 Wilson speakers "sound better" than a $10,000 pair of speakers from another reputable brand?

      Likewise, does a $100,000 MSB DAC sound better than a $1,000 Topping? Or a $50,000 digital streamer compared to an old Logitech/Squeezebox Touch with its digital out?

      If "high-end audio" brands declare themselves as luxury products based on affiliation with the brand name, logo, the designer/artist, intended as statement pieces of art or projections of gold plated, diamond encrusted luxury, then go right ahead and name their asking price!!!

      However, the implication for the company and industry in order that mainstream audiophiles stop hurling criticisms at them will have to be that they declare themselves outside of the utilitarian market for sound quality. When this happens, they honestly acknowledge that their value is dissociated from sound quality just like Rolex mechanical watches are not tied to <1 second/day loss in accuracy - go with the Timex if time accuracy is important to you! So too, go with Topping if DAC fidelity is important to you compared to that MSB!

      There will be obvious implications about how they advertise such products, to whom they advertise to, what kinds of trade shows they think they want to present at, etc. Leave the mainstream audiophile hobby out of this because their products are no longer meant for hobbyists (but rather luxury-oriented lifestyle consumers), and they should take those $50,000 power cables with them. 🤣

      I see companies like Burmester Audiosysteme following this model quite well and they probably don't get too much criticism for doing it. Their devices clearly are shiny looking, gold even, and when I've approached them at audio shows, they don't seem too insistent that the products sound the best, but happy to talk about workmanship, appearance, build quality, and association with other luxury brands aimed at the upper class (like their pieces featured in Mercedes S-Class cars). IMO, nothing wrong with a business wanting to capture that market!

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    2. Hej Arch
      Thanks for the reply. There will always be customers who want flair over substance. Naturally we then have companies who cater to this segment. Those who prefer looks over capabilities and are prepared to pay for this. I believe Bang & Olufsen are a good example. Smartly engineered, lifestyle products that are designed to look exotic in the home of the discerning enthusiast. Their target group is certainly the upper income group who want something that looks cool but also sounds decent. To a certain extent Bose falls into the same category and has become hugely successful. Last year they acquired The Macintosh group which also includes Sonus Faber.
      Here follows a comment I found when searching what audiophiles think of Bose:
      “The aim of Bose is to sell a lot of highly profitable equipment, and they’ve identified that people with money like to be assured that they’re buying the best, even if it isn’t true. Isn’t monied ignorance pure bliss. Bose spends a lot on marketing to promote the “Bose is best” message.”
      Both companies do offer excellent products, but these belong to their very top tier line that are exorbitantly expensive.
      Packaging and branding will always influence people into believing that expensive products must be better than cheaper offers.
      “Tests show that wine tasters, including experts, can be fooled by the same wine presented in different bottles, a phenomenon that highlights the influence of branding, price, and expectations on perception. In a 2001 experiment by Frédéric Brochet, wine experts failed to identify a white wine as white when it was dyed red, instead describing it using red wine descriptors. In another part of the study, the same inexpensive wine was praised when labeled a Grand Cru and criticized when labeled a table wine, demonstrating that external cues significantly impact how wine is perceived.”
      And the same goes for Hi-Fi. Regardless of whether it is our ears or our tastebuds we are so easily manipulated by our biases. Blind testing is our only means of properly evaluating anything when our senses are involved, even eyewitness accounts have to be carefully scrutinized before accepting them as truths.

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    3. Absolutely Mike,
      No surprise about the power of visual stimuli and the need for blind testing whether it's wines or those phat cables connecting the massive amp and speakers!

      Yeah, B&O and Bose are great examples like the Burmester of more lifestyle brands than catering to high-fidelity enthusiasts as their consumer target segment. Audiophiles as a whole typically have a certain impression of those products and for the most part, I don't think we need to argue much about them because we all know what they're about anyways.

      Sometimes they can make very interesting hi-fi gear though (in 2017 I went to check out the B&O BeoLab 90 which was very cool), but I doubt Bose cares for hobbyists, nor want their gear measured for fidelity. 🤣 Public perception of quality/benefit, perhaps "fashion" is mainly what they're really after which is a fair direction for any business to choose.

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  4. That's a great post, Archimago! I would agree hi-fi consumers should have more common sense and more critical thinking, but I would say knowledge is even more important and it's severely lacking across the community - and that's the reason so many brands get away with nonsense claims, because consumers are not educated. One good example of that is the eternal format discussion - vinyl is better than CD, SACD is better than CD or DSD is better than FLAC, etc.., when the differences are, 99%, due to differences in the mastering quality (as you pointed out above in the multi-channel vs 2-0 versions). But a lot of hi-fi consumers rather think CDs are better than streaming, instead of investigating and figuring out old CDs usually have better masterings than the current hi-res "remasters" that populate streaming services - when using the exact same master and using unity gain there's no difference at all between CDs and streaming. And, unfortunately, a lot of that lack of knowledge extends, as you pointed, to YouTube reviewers who 1) don't have a clue what they're talking about 2) like to think they know, but they don't, and continue to perpetuate audio myths that should've been put to dust a long time ago. I'm not an electrical engineer, but it's not that hard to learn the basics of audio and if consumers did that it would lead to a much healthier industry,

    Besides doing some work in hi-fi I was a musician for a long time (and still am, I guess) and when I arrived at the hi-fi world I was surprised by how acritical and poorly informed hi-fi consumers and reviewers can be. Guitar players are the most anal and demanding groups of consumers I've know to date, and brands in that space don't get away with any nonsense! Let's hope hi-fi catches up someday, you're certainly helping with that.

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    1. Greetings miguelmarques,
      Thanks for the note and good to hear that the guitar players sound like they're able to hold their Industry to the fire if there's nonsensical stuff being promoted!

      I definitely echo your sentiments about the importance of mastering when people make all kinds of allegations about CD/FLAC/streaming/SACD/DSD files, etc... when ALL of those digital types would be able to contain music of a "transparent" nature for 99.9% of listening situations!

      Since Solderdude brought up McGowan above, I'm reminded of his strange belief about DSD being somehow "very clearly" superior (in support of his Octave Records venture and claims about DSD DACs) as an example of someone who should be able to test and demonstrate such claims, but inevitably resorts to his vague anecdotes. I wonder if his videos like the one linked could be seen as "false advertising" made by a direct representative (Founder & CEO) of a company and we could demand that evidence be provided?

      Well, since the audiophile magazines have failed to promote general education for probably decades now, I think it's up to each of us as audiophiles-at-large to do our part wherever we find ourselves interacting with fellow hobbyists.

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  5. Hi Miguelmarques,

    I've certainly been fooled. I used to think that Spotify. OGG sounded obviously worse than lossless audio. It’s thanks to this blog and its commenters that I realised I was actually hearing something else.

    I’ve no idea what it was, as this is long lost in the past.

    Also, I have to admit that I haven't done any room acoustic tests, because my room and setup sound good to my ears. I'm reluctant, because if I see data showing my room has poor measurements, I'll be disappointed—and it would probably lessen my enjoyment.

    At the moment, I believe ignorance is bliss. I'm enjoying my sound system regardless of its real-world performance.

    As an example, I enjoy modern films less now that I know many are filmed at the archaic 24fps, with such slow shutter speeds that I was genuinely in disbelief at. I had to find multiple sources confirming the same before I could accept that modern films use shutter speeds as low as 1/48s. Before knowing this, I would have watched the current Superman remake and enjoyed it more without knowing that it is poorly filmed.

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    1. Hey Dan,
      With regards to knowledge and the potential to reduce enjoyment, I personally make it a point to try dissociating the technical specs from my ability to enjoy the art. For decades now, most of the music we listen to have very unfortunate dynamic range compression as you know. While a bummer because we can imagine that the sound could have been clearer, less distorted, I still try to make it a point to listen and try my best to enjoy the artistic intent. Most of the time, I can, despite questionable mastering, sometimes I can't (Californication makes my ears bleed even though I like the RHCP)... And as I know you've been trying to do with feedback, in time, our favourite artists can hopefully change the quality of their recordings and we can encourage other music lovers to join in demanding better sound.

      Earlier in the summer, my wife really wanted to go catch a movie so we finally watched F1 in IMAX. Like Top Gun: Maverick, these kinds of high-speed blockbusters demand at least 48fps HFR. Alas while the IMAX size was great, F1 turned out to be the usual 24fps judder. Despite the idea in mind of what it "could have looked like", as a consumer, I could still enjoy it and all I can really do is provide feedback or just vote with my feet and not buy tickets.

      I'd encourage you to measure a sweep in your sound room for the sake of knowing the impact of the room acoustics. Whether you want to change anything remains your choice. Remember that even with the objective data, we all have subjective preferences anyways which is why the freedom to use EQ is something I advocate even if the intent is to deviate from general "ideal" (for example, a bass-head should boost their bass by +3dB if that's what makes them happy!). Technical ideal "flatness" is certainly not a pre-requisite to being able to enjoy beautiful music!

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  6. Hi, Dan.

    Nothing wrong in "deliberate ignorance", in the sense that one may just want to enjoy a system and being afraid knowledge will make you enjoy your system less - like your example with movies. But I would say if you're making a significant hi-fi purchase (i.e. expensive) it's probably a good idea to educate yourself a little before doing that purchase to avoid ill spending of hard earned money! Apart form that, I get the "ignorance is bliss" perspective for some consumers - although that ignorance should NOT be extended to reviewers, manufacturers, dealers, etc..

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  7. I'm actually encouraged by what I see coming to the U.S. from Chinese companies like Eversolo, Topping, FiiO, etc. Nothing cuts through marketing bullshit faster than better value propositions. You don't have to be an engineer to discern that products from these brands often have lower prices and specs similar to much higher priced products produced elsewhere. That is going to force a lot of companies to rethink basic brand strategies concerning where and how they manufacture and distribute their products. Political gerrymandering via tariffs and other means to discourage imports cannot fool the discerning public in the long run.

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    1. Amen David, 😉
      The products from Eversolo, Topping, SMSL, WiiM, Sabaj, FiiO, Aiyima, Douk, Fosi, etc... are exactly what are needed in the hi-fi space when it comes to the electronics side to satisfy the needs of the younger, modern audio enthusiasts who just want to cut through the crap of the "high end" with their unreasonably poor value. Maybe in time with higher income, some of these guys and gals will move up to their McIntosh 😀.

      There's only so much fear, discriminatory claims, and hypocritical virtue-signaling that some people can make (like this guy - Verastarr snake oil cable salesman) about these made in China brands. The reality is that if in North America we want our high tech toys produced at volume to achieve good prices, we have to deal with Asia and taxes on them cannot be high since these are not high-margin, luxury, goods.

      The whole tariffs (ie. tax) thing... What a confusing mess. So is this thing currently "legal" or not? 🤔 Will be good to return to a time of lower political and trade volatility.

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  8. Thank you for a great post, Archimago! I'm certainly feeling honored by the fact that Solderdude's and mine comments helped to ignite your creative powers :)

    Sadly, it feels like an endless battle because the high end industry is definitely strong in part because it's very lucrative. For example, how can both a DAC and a car cost about the same? That definitely tells something about the profit margins of these companies. As an engineer, I also feel the frustration that all these money that hi-end equipment buyers are willing to spend are not put towards the technical progress in audio.

    Although, it seems that even with stricter standards and regulations both suppliers and consumers can go into a strange direction. Like, consider the "Hi-Res" certification—it ensures that an audio device can reproduce frequencies higher than 40 kHz at a reasonable level. Is this useful? Not sure, but for consumers this gold-and-black logo can often serve as a "differentiator."

    So, yes, let's invest in educating ourselves and, hopefully, other people :)

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    1. Thanks for the comments as usual Mikhail,
      Unless some governmental regulator is able to maintain a strong, proactive stance, I'm sure there will continue to be companies that seek out sketchy ways of making money. Such is human nature to attempt this, the power of advertising and human psychology to potentially fall for the grossly untruthful marketing.

      Indeed, "self-regulation", as in being educated ourselves to spot the scams is the only way. Hopefully as a group of audiophiles, for the most part, "culturally" we might be able to help each other. Maybe there's such a thing as "herd immunity" as audiophiles against the mental viruses of Industry bad actors which could include a captured media?!

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