And here is the new Intel i5-6500/Gigabyte Z170X-Gaming 7 assembled with the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo heatsink (and Corsair DDR4 RAM) living in the old Antec case. Blue SATA connector attached to the ADATA SP600 256GB SSD:
Here's a look at a few of the chips / features on the motherboard:
Creative Sound Core3D chip to the left. The driver for the built-in audio system is identified as Creative Sound Blaster "Recon3Di". The middle picture is Gigabyte's Turbo B-Clock module which basically allows the BCLK to be adjusted 1MHz at a time. Of significance for the overclockers out there. To the right is a little plastic adaptor they supply for the typical case connectors like the Power LED, Reset Switch, Power Switch, HD LED, etc... Works well especially for an old case like this where the connectors are not well organized; no more fiddling with these little connectors or mess up the polarity. Just plug them all into this part and connect to the motherboard en bloc. Wish they thought of this years ago!
It's alive! Notice the red LED lighting up the ports panel out back. You can change the color in the BIOS to suite your taste / decor / pimping style (blue, green, light green, yellow, white, and thankfully can turn it off)... You can even have it pulsate to music :-).
Of course with no fans going this is completely silent and getting into the BIOS to tune settings was no issue at all. As usual, when trying to find the optimal settings whether overclocking or underclocking does take a fair bit of trial-and-error. Each CPU will have different tolerance in terms of how fast it can be pushed (both in terms of absolute limit and heat tolerance) or how much stability it can maintain with little voltage. Remember, my main goal is to find settings that keep power utilization low so as not to overwhelm the fanless (and not particularly massive) heatsink. Despite trials of many failed settings, at no time did I run into any difficulties requiring that I clear the CMOS - the motherboard detected failures to boot and will get me back to the BIOS screen on the next attempted reboot... Great to see how with each new generation of hardware, things have become easier and more fool-proof for the build-it-youselfers.
BIOS Underclock & UndervoltIt's good practice to get the latest stable BIOS upgrade for the motherboard (I'm running the "beta" F6f which seems quite stable).
Alright, without further ado, here are the final settings I'm going to run with (BIOS screenshots of relevant changes with red arrows):
|I'm unclear if setting the "Package Power Limit" to 28W as a target actually makes a difference...|
With these settings, I'm running the machine at about 75% of stock speed. Basically a Core i5 (quad core, non-hyperthreading) running 2.4GHz with a small amount of "Turbo Boost" leeway up to 2.7GHz when running non-multithreaded programs (not that this really makes a noticeable difference IMO). Notice the CPU is also undervolted to 0.8V now from around 1.1V stock. (Using similar settings, I actually was able to run this stably at 2.5GHz but I figure it's best to be a little safer especially for the summer when ambient temperatures would be higher.)
Here's what CPUID shows us:
|Running Prime95 at the time. Note core voltage "droop" under load to <0.8V.|
Power UtilizationPower savings are substantial. In fact as a comparison to my previous Pentium G3220 HTPC, here are my Kill-A-Watt measurements for power usage from the computer:
Pentium G3220 (at 2.8GHz, undervolted)
Prime95 Torture Test:
2-core blend mode: 44W
Intel i5-6500 (at 2.4GHz, undervolt)
Prime95 Torture Test:
2-core blend mode: 38W
4-core blend mode: 48W
Nice! Basically going from the old HTPC build to the new one barely increases power consumption when idle and doing CPU computation. In fact, I'm able to run all 4 cores (with no thermal throttling) achieving much faster overall speed with just a +4W increase!
Quick Speed Comparison"How much faster?" You may ask...
Prime95 benchmark - 4096K FFT
Pentium G3220 machine (dual core, @3.0GHz, no undervolt):
1 CPU, 1 Worker: 68.97ms - 14.5 iter/s
2 CPU, 2 Worker: 79.65 / 78.75 - 25.25 iter/s
Core i5-6500 machine (quad core, @2.4GHz, undervolted):
1 CPU, 1 Worker: 22.6ms - 44.2 iter/s
2 CPU, 2 Worker: 23.68 / 23.41ms - 84.95 iter/s
3 CPU, 3 Worker: 27.32 / 27.38 / 27.39 - 109.65 iter/s
4 CPU, 4 Worker: 37.62 / 37.46 / 43.01 / 34.47 - 105.54 iter/s
As you can see, the Core i5 microarchitecture embarrasses the Pentium in speed (as expected). Single core total throughput is 3x that of the Pentium even at slower clockspeed. This rises to 3.4x with dual workers. Notice that the total throughput with this benchmark is highest with 3 workers (4.3x over the peak G3220 performance) possibly a result of memory bandwidth limits once we hit 4 threads.
Of course Prime95 is just a single datapoint in terms of all the potential benchmarks out there... But it does give us a look at floating-point performance which likely corresponds to actual DSP processing (I think the JRiver DSP operates at 64-bit floating point).
Finally, before really declaring everything as being ready for operation, it's time to...
Torture TestSo, are we truly stable undervolted and run off a passive heatsink?
Test 1 - IntelBurnTest
One of the most insane tests around! Usually will fail with unstable machines within 5 minutes even with "Standard" setting. This machine was stable for 10 runs at "Very High" settings without evidence of thermal throttling which will cause speed deterioration. Note the consistent 70-71 GFlops result. (As a speed comparison, the old Pentium G3220 HTPC scored 21-22 GFlops, so the new underclocked i5-6500 machine is 3.3x faster.)
Test 2 - Prime95 for 24 hours
There you go, 25 hours, 55 minutes. No errors or warnings for all 4 cores. CPU temperature based on the motherboard sensor was running around 60-65°C.
Test 3 - Prime95 + FurMark
Now this is punishing! Remember that the total "TDP Budget" for this chip is shared between the CPU and integrated GPU components.This test will challenge stability at full power consumption and heat production. In fact, when running this combo, my Kill-A-Watt is measuring 60W power consumption for the whole machine. After about 5 minutes the machine will throttle down due to heat (CPU starts to slow down once it reaches 72°C I think). Notice the CPU-Z window is telling us that the CPU is running at 1.8GHz at this point after 45 minutes of FurMark.
Given that I do not intend to do 3D gaming on this machine, I'm not concerned. The important thing is that even with all the heat, the machine did not crash and there were no graphical glitches showing up with the OpenGL 3D furry torus. Also of no surprise is that the 1280x720 rendering with 2xMSAA is only running at 8fps. These integrated GPUs could be reasonable for casual gaming with low complexity 3D graphics I suppose. DirectX12 is supported by Skylake so features like lower "draw call overhead" could at least improve performance in DX12 optimized games.
Note that the "spread" in power consumption between sitting idle and with Test 3 is 60-27 = 33W for the passive heatsink to dissipate with the settings I chose.
So how well does this machine run?
So, there it is sitting in back propping up my absorption panel; shiny and black like the rest of my gear :-).
Subjectively, how does the new HTPC feel? Why, fast, of course :-). Speedy boot up and program start-up, snappy GUI (a given). But what really matters is whether the higher processing speed allows me to do more...
In JRiver, I can now do this with no crackles, pops or other errors:
Upsampling to 384kHz plus applying 131k taps Acourate digital room correction filter feeding my TEAC UD-501. Previously with the Pentium G3220, this resulted in occasional audible distortion especially when crossfading between tracks adding to the processing load. Notice the CPU meter top right is only registering 7% usage total... Nice!
Beyond this, honestly, digital audio doesn't need much processing power (for the audiophile home listener). Also, realistically upsampling to DXD rates is pretty silly and sounds no different unless one has a neurotic distrust of one's DAC's internal oversampling digital filter algorithm (probably should have bought another DAC then!) or is a NOS DAC and could use some antialiasing.
This is where the HTPC upgrade really makes a difference... Remember, I'm getting ready for 4K.
One problem is that there is little 4K content to actually watch, and the most popular at this time are just streaming 4K clips off YouTube; basically just demos like this (for other demo content - see here):
The above is an example played back with Microsoft's Edge browser streamed as H.264/AVC 30fps. Total CPU usage of 12%. Excellent. It's not CPU speed that's causing the occasional stutter, it's the Internet speed with my cable modem especially during peak hours. Note that currently Internet Explorer and Edge browsers makes efficient use of hardware video decoding. Sadly, and ironically, Google's own Chrome appears extremely inefficient or does not appear to be using the hardware decode feature.
I do also have NetFlix but not the "4 screens + UltraHD" plan which adds 4K streaming for the time being.
The rest of these quick tests are with the few 4K video files floating around the net. These sample files are all played off my central server computer off my home gigabit ethernet (setup described previously).
Let's start with 4K encoded with the most common CODEC in use these days for video downloads - H.264/AVC. Latest Intel graphics driver installed (Beta 22.214.171.12426). Playback software being MPC-HC x64 player with LAV Filters x64, hardware acceleration through DXVA2 (copy-back). The 32-bit x86 LAV Filters I found to be not as good with frame rates:
This is a high bitrate file at 100Mbps. Notice 0 dropped frames, 1ms jitter, <20% CPU usage... Can't really ask for much more!
But it's the next-generation CODECs we also need to think about to be reasonably "future-proof"... The claim being made is that these new formats will provide equivalent quality at almost half the bitrate.
Let's start with Google's VP9 using a test file found here.
And here's another VP9 video downloaded off YouTube using 4K Download... Original video here:
And there's H.265/HEVC:
For comparison, check out the results using my i7-3770K machine for the same file but without the benefit of hardware video decoding:
To end off... Hardware accelerated 4K/30Hz is a reality with Skylake for excellent playback of the latest VP9 and H.265/HEVC CODECs. But with HDMI2.0 specification, we could see videos released at 50/60fps.
At 60fps, H.264/AVC demos have been OK so far - here's Big Buck Bunny (2008, AC3 multichannel audio):
Already there are a number of video files out there based on Samsung's UHD HEVC demos at 4K/60Hz. As far as I can tell, the i5-6500 Skylake is not currently able to decode these 60fps smoothly at stock speed with LAV Filters 0.67 x64. VP9 at 4K/60Hz is significantly better but there's still judder, some dropped frames, and audio stutter as video catches up. HEVC is still young and I'm sure many code optimizations and driver updates are to come (anyone know if commercial decoders like UHDecode Upgrade improves performance with 60fps?)... Furthermore, other than the Hobbit movies in 48Hz "High Frame Rate" (HFR), I really don't know of many others following suit (maybe James Cameron's Avatar sequels). Would have been nice to see faultless 60fps playback, but not exactly essential at this time in history.
BTW: Here's an interesting read on visual physiology, resolution, and touching on the debate between "cinema" 24fps vs. HFR. First batch of Sony UHD Blu-Rays likewise are not likely to impress...
Well, I guess the only thing left to do now is to actually get myself a 4K TV downstairs in the media room :-). Unfortunately, I will also need a 4K/HDMI2.0/HDCP2.2 receiver to make it all fully ready for UHD Blu-Ray. Great to see 75-80" UHD TV sets finally dropping below CAD$5000 now. I'm unsure if I want 3D capability before plunking down the cash.
I'll be looking out for deals over the holidays in any case...
Last thoughts before signing off... I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that 4K/UHD Blu-Ray will likely be the last major disk-based delivery medium for video. Probably similar to what we've seen in the audio world, "ultra" high resolution formats like SACD and DVD-A will likely not be adopted at the same rate as an already excellent resolution format like CD before (in the case of video, 1080P Blu-Rays). I do expect that UHD Blu-Ray will do much better than the floundering SACD format and dead DVD-A simply because the image quality improvement will be obvious in appropriate situations rather than hi-res audio where benefits are at best vague assuming the quality of the audio mastering is actually of high-resolution caliber to start.
Streaming video is clearly the future and physical formats will more than likely be aimed at the videophile collectors who just needs to have the "best" version. I think it's interesting that in the audiophile world, the "best" physical version to own as a collector is often the vinyl record due to size of artwork and packaging (but not as the undisputed, "highest fidelity" format) whereas potentially in the video world it likely will be the 4K/UHD Blu-Ray disks and packaging which will be sought after plus objectively and subjectively provide the best audio-video quality.
I look forward to 2016 as a big year for the videophiles and HT geeks... Enjoy the videos and music everyone as we head into the holidays!
Congratulations to your new build. This made me happy to see "no more fiddling with these little connectors or mess up the polarity. Just plug them all into this part and connect to the motherboard en bloc. Wish they thought of this years ago!" I put together this monster of a motherboard PC, and the only real difficulty was connecting the internal headers, as they were hard to interpret from the installation guide to the actual board. I made no mistakes, but it took a lot of attention and slowness to be totally sure I'd connected everything correctly. My thought at the time was "why make it so fiddly" when everything else is basically plug in and play. Good on Gigabyte.ReplyDelete
As for " I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that 4K/UHD Blu-Ray will likely be the last major disk-based delivery medium for video." Well, probably. But going 5, or 8K next, even with a compression codec may saturate internet connections at least during the transition of network upgrades. Quality may also vary depending on where one lives. I've got friends who have 1000Mb/s internet access. I get max 80. Then again, I'm on LTE, not a fixed line. Anyhow this article http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/forget-ultra-hd-8k-is-closer-than-you-think/14385 suggests we'll see 8k discs in the future.
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"the only thing left to do now is to actually get myself a 4K TV downstairs in the media room"Delete
With 4k isn't it tempting to go projector rather than TV, to get the glory and benefits of the higher resolution on a huge screen? We'll see a lot of new hardware out geared at capitalizing on 4k.
On a tangent, VR head sets make huge screens much more portable. Albeit in its infancy, it's going fron home cinema to portable cinema. If there is mass market adoption of VR, and mass market adoption drives R&D development, both of hardware and software, we could see 4K headsets in a few years. This is likely to offer virtual reality experiences, as well as huge cinematic screens and 3D sound in a more controlled environment (I've been using room correction since 2001) at a much lower cost.
Yeah. Sure - 5K, 8K... We'll see how 4K UHD-Blu-Ray sells first :-).
Clearly there will need to be a very significant update to the internet infrastructure if we are to truly present 4K video streamed in a fashion that really approaches the potential resolution available. Mass acceptance is important to availability of the content and it's going to be a number of years I suspect. After all, it's about making money and it's quite possible that the money to be made from 1080P --> 4K ends up being disappointing.
I have thought about 4K projectors also. Could be an option I guess. But I'm more of a direct view guy and really like the brightness and contrast for now.
I'm building a similar new HTPC for me (but a little more "gamer" HTPC ;)
Silence is the key of my project as well, since i use my system to watch series/movies, listen classical music and sometimes play some cool games, but nothing hardcore, just casual games.
I went with the Skylake I3-6100 because of its low TDP (51W) and high clock (3.7 GHz) and the Hyper Threading that, althought it's not like 4 real cores, kicks in very well (i tried an I5 but US$ and brazilian economy said no to my wallet ;)
I've just got an semi-fanless Corsair RM450 PSU that only spin the fan when pass the 40% of power (fanless is a difficult thing in a tropical country, unless you're in air conditioning all the time).
About the MB and RAM, i didn't made my mind yet, but i think i'll stick with some H170 MB and 8 or 16 gigs of RAM.
Concerning the CPU cooler, i'm looking for a compact cooler, since i want to keep things in the small side, but it's difficult to have a quiet small form factor PC. And i didn't throw in the graphics card... oh boy, this will heat up things. I think i will go with some model that is totally fanless in 2D mode and only spin the fans while rendering heavy stuff like games. BTW, 2016 will be a great year for GPU, with the upcoming node shrink in both AMD and Nvidia sides.
All in all, my goal is to keep the PC under 15 dBa when listening music and movies (that is certainly way under my room noise floor), and let the fans kick in only when gaming (i don't mind some 30 dBa while gaming, the cars, explosions and game soundtrack will obviously mask everything ;)
But regarding your system, it's a real beauty! Nice job! BTW, the current Intel 100 series chipsets will be compatible with the Kaby Lake processors that will come out in Q4 2016. We will see some more energy efficiency improvement, and maybe some kind of 50~60 TDP for the mainstream I5 and I7 family. If that happens, i'll certainly grab some I7 for me (for 4K video and games).
PS: If you are entering the 4K world right now, keep an eye on the High Dynamic Range - HDR. AMD talk about it some days ago, that they will implement HDR for movies in it's upcoming new generation of GPU's in 2016.
Take a look at this link: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/radeon-technology-group-tech-update-december-2015,2.html
AFAIK Intel and Nvidia didn't say anything about this feature in their upcoming products yet, so... AMD have my attention right now ;)
Oh, and BTW, i'm looking foward to the results of the measurements of the MB audio that you said you might do in the future. I think that a good-great MB is at least as good as an Audioquest Dragonfly or some FiiO equipment.Delete
Thanks for the note VK! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year :-).Delete
Hope you're enjoying the new build... The ASUS motherboard looks like a real winner.
I've been enjoying the movies and music off my new build over the holidays with family and friends over. It's been working flawlessly and in complete silence. As you noted, of course I'm not running this in the tropics. Indeed that would be a problem without at least a large heatsink for the i5 and slow fan for the power supply.
That AMD info looks really interesting. Will need to make sure the 4K TV color gamut can handle the extra colors and contrast ratio needed for this. I'll certainly be on the lookout for a fanless and low-power graphics card for this application. Of course, if Kaby Lake delivers the goods with ensured 4K60P HEVC/VP9 decoding, we're good without any other upgrades :-).
All the best for a prosperous 2016. The currency exchange has been a problem for us here in Canada as well... Here's hoping 2016 brings us reasonably priced 75+" OLED 10-bit 4K TV's :-).
I'm glad i found your page because i'm planning on building a similar build.ReplyDelete
when i understand the above correctly, you weren't able to play youtube 4k60fps with this setup? this would be an absolute requirement for me...
thanks for your advice
Hi John, yeah I ran into troubles with 4K60.Delete
1. My internet connection was not fast enough without the occasional stutter.
2. When I downloaded the 4K60 videos to play offline, the CPU was only marginal with occasional stutter so I'd say it's 90%.
Might have to wait for the next gen Kaby Lake like VK suggests before we are *ensured* 4K60 performance unless the drivers and player software improves significantly...
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can this problem be solved with a discrete gpu aka a 950 or 960
or is the VP9 video Codec cpu only? I have fast internet but my Zotac mini htpc struggles even with 1080p60... i'm tired of it.
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Hi Archimago, VK,ReplyDelete
Kudos to you, Archimago. I discovered this blog some days ago and I can't show anything but total agreement on your opinions. These "fact checks" you usually perform based on pure science and engineering are more than needed in a field like this, sometimes so overpopulated with trendy opinions based on "purchasing power".
About this PC, I'm precisely looking for something like this. I live in Spain, with outside temperatures around 40 degrees Celsius in summer (around 25-30 degrees Celsius inside the room). So do you prefer a ventilated power supply instead of a case fan? And what kind of "large heatsink" can you recommend me for the processor?
Keep up the good work, it's highly appreciated!
That Q6600 is similar with what I am using now as my main DVR (Windows7, WMC, HDHomeRun Prime). I have added an older nVidia videocard (Quadro 600) and using it for almost 5 years now.
Hi Archimago, would it be possible for you to test the built in audio DAC and op-amp for audio quality?ReplyDelete
Is it ok to mount fanless PSU with ventilation mesh upside down?ReplyDelete
Have you updated your tests of the Motherboard HDMI 2.0a - with an emphasis on the "a" for HDR content passthrough? Thanks. I can't seem to find a confirmation anywhere that the metadata for HDR passes through. Would like to confirm that before I build as the wallet can't manage a mistake.ReplyDelete