Showing posts with label Logitech. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Logitech. Show all posts

Monday, 5 May 2025

PSA: Logitech dropping many Harmony remote support May 28, 2025.

I suppose it was bound to happen at some point.

If you're a user of the Logitech Harmony universal remote controllers, take note that most models will lose support as the Harmony Remote Software is about to be decommissioned by May 28th, 2025. The software requires access to your account online where profiles are stored.

Initially released back in 2001 by Canadian company Easy Zapper, bought by Logitech in 2004, they stopped production of the hardware in 2021.

Sunday, 30 June 2013

MUSINGS: The Squeezebox Family...

Well, after finishing the last couple of posts, I sent the Squeezebox Receiver back to fordgtlover. Thanks for the opportunity to test out another member of the SB family! I very much appreciate the generosity!

Before the Receiver left on the long trip back to Australia; I decided to take a family portrait:


I remember patiently awaiting the arrival of the Slim Devices Squeezebox 3 back in late 2005 after putting in the pre-order. It's thanks to this little device that my audio listening habits changed forever away from physical media. Despite the ups and downs with various versions of the server software, these little boxes have certainly made access to my own music remarkably easy in a way almost unimaginable previously. My father has access to my music library across the city through his Touch and wherever I go in my travels, music streams to the PC/Mac as well. The stability of my server these days with >5000 albums is fantastic with uptimes of months (this is with Windows, and the only reason it goes down these days is because I install Windows updates every few months).

Sadly, the Squeezebox line was discontinued in August 2012 by Logitech.

Looking back, I'm still impressed by the technology put together by the Slim Devices team to get the infrastructure in place, and later with the Logitech team and especially the Touch. Even today, the objective analogue audio output performance of the Transporter remains superb (it came out in September 2006) and as I look at all that can be done with the Touch (came out April 2010) including the ability to handle 24/192 (EDO kernel), communicate with a number of USB DACs, transport DSD64 via DoP, it's amazing the power of what can be done with an Open Source architecture where the "community" is empowered to maximize the machine's capabilities. Have a look at the used prices of the Touch these days, it's a reminder of just how much value it offered audiophiles. The computer audiophile community needs more devices of this caliber; devices that can "raise the bar" and do it without need for valuation as a luxury or "artisan" item when it's just "good sound" and "good functionality" that I believe many of us are after.

Looking ahead, it's great to see ongoing development in the Squeezebox community towards replacement hardware and software - check out the communitysqueeze.org FAQ. Wonderful to see the DIY machines being put together out there (check out the picture gallery!). With the availability of small, low powered, but reasonably fast computers like the Wandboard and the already ubiquitous ports of client software like Softsqueeze/Squeezeplay/Squeezeslave, Squeeze Player (Android), Squeezecast (iPod/Phone), I have a feeling that I'll be running my Logitech Media Server (or some equivalent) for the forseeable future...

... Now, if they could support multichannel FLAC/WAV and native stereo/multichannel DSD (I still think there's a need for better file formats than .dsf and .dff), I think we'd have all of audio covered. :-)

Vive le Squeezebox!

Addendum January 2026: While the Squeezebox/Logitech hardware has long ceased production and official software development also retired, in 2026, this hardware all still runs on the open-source Lyrion Media Server. See this post.

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Well, it's summer time in the northern hemisphere and that means the kids are out of school. The heat wave finally arriving here in Vancouver. Time for some vacation, BBQ's, camping, lazy afternoons, general R&R, and of course good summer tunes (Katrina & The Waves I'm Walking On Sunshine is playing in the back currently). :-)

I'm also starting to go through Ethan Winer's recent 2012 book "The Audio Expert: Everything You Need To Know About Audio". Only started and already it's a good read written in an accessible manner for those interested in the science and technical aspects of audio without going deeply into the math. The Kindle edition (IMO a bit pricey) along with some mindless fiction like Dan Brown's Inferno will likely accompany me on the summer trips coming up.

As always, enjoy the music everyone!

Monday, 24 June 2013

MEASUREMENTS: Squeezebox Duet - Receiver & Controller (Analogue Output).

A number of moons ago (December 2012), this blog was started to obtain data on ~320kbps MP3 vs. lossless audio. Near the end of data collection for that study, I started performing some tests and began posting them on the Squeezebox forum for discussion. 

Over the ensuing months, I started posting data on the family of Squeezebox devices which I collected over the years as the foundation of my sound system at home. Up to this point, I have had the opportunity to measure ALMOST the whole family of products from the SB3 onwards...


Obviously missing from this lineup is the Duet - a combination of the Receiver and the LCD-endowed Controller which I have always wanted to try but never saw a unit locally to buy back in the day. I want to send a big thank-you to 'fordgtlover' from the Squeezebox forum for taking the time and expense to send me the Squeezebox Duet for testing - all the way from Australia no less!

Here she is:

The Controller comes with a nice weighted metal stand which also plugs in as a recharger. The LCD screen is reasonably bright and easy to read. Buttons have a nice click and selection is made with the turn wheel. One could ask for a smoother feel to the wheel, but as is, it's reasonably functional. Even though you can connect the Receiver via ethernet, the Controller obviously needs a functioning WiFi network.

The Receiver is a relatively non-descript black box with just a lit wireless icon on the front to indicate power & device status. Getting it connected up was quite simple and quick using the Controller - see here for the details.

A look at the back ports on these devices. From left to right of the Receiver: analogue stereo, TosLink digital, coaxial digital, Ethernet (10/100), and wallwart power (9V, 0.56A). You can make out on the top of the Controller a phono plug as well for audio output to headphones on the go.

I: Receiver Measurements

Internally, the Receiver uses the Wolfson WM8501 which is spec'ed at 100dB SNR and although it can go to 24/192, the Receiver is limited at 24/48 (as are all the other Squeezeboxes except Transporter and Touch).

Okay, lets get into it. First I wanted to have a look at the analogue outputs of the Receiver. Since this is a loaner unit, I'll try to extract as much as I can before sending it on the long journey home to Australia...

Lets pull up an oscilloscope reading* - 1kHz 0dBFS square wave (24/44):
The yellow channel is the right, and blue left. Notice there is some channel imbalance on this unit with the left channel a bit louder. Left channel peak voltage measures at 2.47V, right channel 2.40V.

The square wave itself looks nice. Minimum noise, good contours with minimal ringing (compare with the Controller below). From this, one would suspect that the usual RightMark analysis would show good results.

Here's the impulse response (as usual, 16/44 impulse recorded with the E-MU 0404USB at 24/192):

A standard linear phase filter response. Absolute polarity is maintained. We can therefore expect a sharp roll-off at Nyquist.

A. RightMark results:
The usual setup:
SB Receiver --> Shielded RCA --> E-MU 0404USB --> Shielded USB --> Win8 laptop
Firmware: 77
Receiver volume 100%.

Cables were the same for all these measurements (a 3' shielded RCA cable from Radio Shack, shielded 6' USB cable).

I tried both ethernet and WiFi. Since I could find no difference, I'll just present the WiFi data here. I noticed that the WiFi in the Receiver was able to achieve better signal strength than the Touch at the same location. 2 floors up from the ASUS RT-N56U router, my Touch got ~65% strength, while the Receiver was up at ~75% (Controller also about 75%).

Where I did the measurements, the Receiver was up around 85% WiFi signal strength.


As you can see, I measured the Receiver against the Touch all the way up to the max sampling rate of 24/48. Also, I included the 24/44 data from the Squeezebox 3/Classic as comparison. The graphs below are derived from the 24/44 data. Notice that we gained 4dB from 16 to 24-bits using the Receiver...  Not much.

Frequency Response:

Noise:

THD:
Relatively stronger odd-order harmonics up at 3, 5, and 7kHz compared to the Touch or SB3.

Stereo Crosstalk:

As you can see, a mixed bag. The Receiver's frequency response is similar to the Touch; both are flatter than the SB3 which tends to roll off the deep bass a bit more. The Touch clearly beats the other two in terms of noise performance (SB3 and Receiver about equivalent here), but scores lower with stereo crosstalk (not really an issue IMO). Total harmonic distortion was higher with the Receiver.

B. Dunn Jitter Test (16 & 24-bits):
16-bits:

24-bits:
Low jitter using this test in the analogue output.

II: Controller Measurements

The controller is a neat device. As shown above, there is a metal charging base and it's motion sensitive so will automatically wake when picked up (a few seconds wait time to wake up if not in the charger). It's pretty good at doing what it's meant to - as controller for the various Squeezebox units (not just the Receiver). The scroll wheel allows accelerated item selection, but these days, I mainly use a tablet to control the Squeezebox devices and it's of course quicker to type in search items than scrolling through letters.

The Controller has a standard 3.5mm phono plug up top for headphones. Although it can also play back audio, as far as I know, this feature was implemented at a "beta" level only. You have to go into Settings -> Advanced -> Beta Features -> Audio Playback to turn this on. Because the unit has a little speaker inside, I also needed to download the "Headphone Switcher" app from Applet Installer which adds an item in the "Extras" menu to turn the headphone on. Eventually I was able to get the unit to automatically switch between the speaker and headphone after some fiddling and rebooting the device (honestly I don't know which step was the key - the nature of 'beta' I guess). I did notice some slowdown to the UI responsiveness when streaming audio to the Controller.

According to the SB Hardware Wiki, the Controller has a Wolfson WM8750 inside. Understandably, this is a low power chip meant for portable devices. Data sheet lists DAC SNR up to 98dB. Maximum sample rate goes up to 24/48.

Setup:
Controller --> phono-to-RCA shielded Radio Shack cable (3') --> E-MU 0404USB --> shielded USB --> Win8 laptop
Firmware: 7.8.0-r16739
Controller volume 100%.

Here's what a 1kHz square wave, 0dBFS, 24/44 looks like under the oscilloscope playing off the phono plug:

In comparison to the Receiver above, it's clear that this isn't going to be "hi-fidelity". There's a bit of ringing and noise evident. Peak voltage is around 800mV and the two channels are reasonably balanced.

Here's the impulse response:
Upside down - the Controller inverts polarity. Standard linear phase digital filter.

A. RightMark results:


Comparison is made with the Receiver and Touch. Numerically, the thing that really sticks out is that massive intermodulation distortion up at 4%! I'm a bit surprised how the program did not calculate a higher THD as well given how nasty the graph looks - this is why I post up the graphs as well... I checked and double checked the testing to make sure settings were not clipping the signal. Made no difference - it is what it is!

No meaningful improvement with going to 24-bits.

Frequency Response:
Odd noise spikes from 5kHz up. Have not seen this before in my other tests. I did the test 3 times and this appears to be a real finding. Also, earlier roll-off down to -3dB by 20kHz.

Noise:

THD:
This looks bad but the score was about the same as the Receiver. RightMark is probably just looking at the odd and even harmonics for the calculations.

Intermodulation Distortion + Noise:
Ouch. Non-linearity is an issue.

Stereo Crosstalk:

As I said earlier - the Controller isn't high fidelity :-).

B. Dunn J-Test:
16-bit

24-bit

Very strong jitter! Many many nanoseconds of jitter :-). Again, this is not distortion from clipping.

III: Summary (Analogue Output)

Receiver: Reasonable analogue output from the device. It performs similar to the old SB3 in terms of dynamic range and noise floor. I hooked up the Receiver to my bookshelf system upstairs ('vintage' Sony MHC-1600 from university days powering some Tannoy mX2's) for a few days to listen. Very enjoyable - got a chance to listen to the Into Darkness soundtrack, the recent HDTracks release of Cole Español, and stroll down pop memory lane with Samantha Fox's Greatest Hits :-). I pulled out the Squeezebox 3 to compare and subjectively, I agree that there's a bit more bass with the Receiver and Touch than the SB3. While that channel imbalance was measurable, I didn't find any gross anomaly with the speaker system but I could hear the difference with the AKG Q701 headphones for example listening to where Ella Fitzgerald's voice was centered on Ella Sings Gershwin, I'd say it's subtle so would not affect my listening pleasure (could also be placebo since I was specifically listening for this!).

Controller: Firstly, how does it sound? Well, perhaps surprisingly OK :-). It's low powered so I listened with a pair of JVC HAFXC80 IEM headphones. I would compare the sound output to what I hear off my Samsung Galaxy S2. If you have a Controller, have a good listen - that's what a high jitter device sounds like (I have not ever seen this many side bands in all the testing so far!). For me, the best I can describe is that the Controller sounds "distant" even with volume pushed up and slightly "hollow" compared to listening through the headphone out from the Touch. The percussion at the start of Star Trek Main Theme from the "Star Trek: Into Darkness" soundtrack for example sounded less defined and spatially smeared, getting worse as the orchestral dynamics build up as if there's some low-level static in the background. How much of this can be definitively attributed to the high jitter is hard to say since the unusual frequency response, noise levels, intermodulation distortion and headphone output limitations are all significant factors in the sound. I highly recommend just streaming 192kbps MP3 as this will improve the responsiveness of the Controller and you're not going to hear a difference.

"fordgtlover" wanted to know how well the Receiver serves as a digital transport - good question! This then will be the topic for the next installment along with comparisons with the Touch... Stay tuned... Something tells me this is going to be complicated and hopefully quite interesting!

Sunday, 24 February 2013

MEASUREMENTS: Logitech Touch as transport!


The follow was a post I made of the Squeezebox Forum a few weeks back to hopefully answer the question of: How well does the Touch function as a digital transport?

Setup:
All the results here are made with the Touch with Triode's EDO firmware installed. For the sake of clarity, when I indicate a test was run in "EDO mode", this means it's the "digital only" mode, otherwise I'm referring to the default "digital + analogue" mode. For those wondering, there was no difference in measurements between stock firmware and with the EDO firmware installed.

The Touch was connected by ethernet to the basement music server → either TosLink or coax out → ASUS Xonar Essence 1 DAC → XLR cables → E-MU 0404 USB for measurement.

As previously measured, the balanced XLR output from the Essence One has so far given me the best electrical noise suppression and lowest noise floor, the Touch was used as the digital transport for this system. I then played the RightMark calibration, and test tones off the Touch and measured the analogue out from the Essence 1.

About the digital cables:
TosLink - cheap "VITonet" labelled plastic fibre cable - no idea where I got this, if I bought it, would likely be <$10 at local supplies store. Pretty thin and flimsy looking but gives a good tight connection with the ends. You can see this cable in the picture above just to the right of the Touch.

Coaxial - this gave me an opportunity to try a simple unshielded 3' stereo audio RCA cable (zip chord that I never used supplied with an old DVD player! forget any impedance matching or electrical shielding) vs. an actual shielded 6' coaxial cable "Acoustic Research Pro Series" I bought 10 years ago for ~$20.

I unplugged the Essence 1's USB cable from the computer during these tests to avoid potential noise pollution. Also, when testing the TosLink, the coaxial SPDIF was not connected.

First off, 16/44:

Nothing to see here in terms of the Touch as transport! Essentially perfect measurements... The 1st column is just the audio played to the Essence 1 through USB 2 (note there's something wrong with the IM value here - I suspect it was a spurious error from this run). Whether I used TosLink, cheap RCA, actual coaxial to connect to the Essence 1 from the Touch did not matter.

Now, 24/96 (standard "digital + analogue" mode):

Hmmm, not unexpectedly, the "RCA as coaxial" is the stand out here. Slightly reduced noise floor (~1 dB), reduced dynamic range (~2 dB), mildly worse stereo crosstalk.

How about 24/96 in "EDO mode" with the analogue output turned off?

Essentially the same as the standard mode. It appears that turning off the analogue output circuitry (or at least silencing it) does not affect the test results in any meaningful way. Again, the RCA cable performance is inferior to a proper shielded coaxial cable. However one has to realize that at this level of performance, the difference is really so minor that it's unlikely anyone would be able to tell a difference from listening! To give you an idea, here's the THD plot, notice how little difference there is with the RCA cable (cyan) just rising over the others like around the 2-10kHz range.



Conclusion so far:
1. 16/44 performance is beyond reproach according to these tests.
2. 24/96 performance likewise is excellent. Starting to see the limitations of an unshielded cable connected to the coaxial SPDIF but even in such an extreme situation, the rise in noise floor is likely inaudible.
3. Turning off the analogue output does not appear to improve the quality of the digital transport.

Now it's time to talk 24/192 with the Touch with EDO plugin. Thank you Triode - amazing plugin/kernel!

Results:


What I find impressive here is the fact that TosLink to the Essence 1 worked at 24/192!!! In fact, that picture of the Touch in the previous post playing the 24/192 John Coltrane's "Blue Train" (Classic Records HDAD release from 2001) was through the TosLink (you can see the 192kHz LED lit up on the Essence 1). This is why I'm very impressed by the components used in the Touch; kudos to Logitech and ASUS! Over the years, this is the first time I've been able to play 24/192 for hours without obvious clicks/pops/disruptions even with an inexpensive plastic cable. To show the TosLink result above wasn't a "one-off", here's a series of 4 runs with the TosLink done over about 2 hours - notice the inter-test reliability.


Like with the 24/96 tests, the cheap RCA cable is showing its limits even more with measurably increased noise floor (10 dB worse!) from the lack of shielding and possibly data errors as the speed of data transfer doubles. Another interesting phenomenon is that even the shielded coaxial cable has a measurably higher noise floor compared to the TosLink by about 2dB. Would an expensive coaxial cable improve this? Possible I guess if the shielding is excellent, but even so, would anyone ever notice at around -110dB!?

Another observation with this test is that the noise level, dynamic range, and stereo crosstalk are all WORSE than 24/96. Every piece of equipment here from the E-Mu, to Essence 1, to Touch are running at max. specifications so the system is running at it's limit.

Here's the THD graph showing the increase in noise with the coaxial interface - el cheapo RCA (cyan) is looking "bad" here:


Conclusion:
1. Thanks again to Triode for the EDO plugin/kernel. It works beautifully and in my system with TosLink working, the Touch measures within 1-2 dB in terms of noise level, dynamic range, and stereo crosstalk compared to a direct USB connection to the DAC for 24/192 playback!

2. If you can get the TosLink to work, you've set yourself free from electrical noise with "galvanic isolation" of the Touch and DAC. Again, the fact that I could get TosLink 24/192 to work reliably between the Touch and Essence One really is impressive and speaks well of the equipment.

3. A recurring theme in these tests is that of ELECTRICAL NOISE. Coaxial SPDIF cables need good shielding at 24/192!

4. 24/192 does not measure as well in my system as 24/96. Writers like Lavry and xiph.org ("24/192 Music Downloads Make No Sense") have already eloquently documented their opinions against 24/192 and I guess I can echo their concerns with the gear I'm using for these tests... Firstly, between 24/96 and 24/192, the difference is ultrasonic; do we demand high-end SLR digital cameras to also capture ultraviolet light? (Sure, you might want to do this for specific scientific reasons.) Secondly, other than a handful of albums usually from smaller labels like 2L, Reference and Linn, I have rarely come across truly native 24/192 (or 24/176) recordings. IMO, it also makes no sense to buy stuff like DSD64 converted to 24/176 such as many of the HDTracks offers.

Addendum: Feb 27, 2013
Thanks to slimdevices forum member "tpaxadpom" who measured the digital output with the AP2722 unit:
SPDIF RCA 377.3 - 324.5 ps
Toslink 1.604 ns

RCA much better in terms of jitter measurements.

MEASUREMENTS: Logitech Squeezebox Touch. [Updated 2013-06-22]


I got this unit late last year lightly used when Logitech announced the Touch's discontinuation. I notice it is quite hard to get one of these now and they're commanding quite an elevated price on eBay!

- Internal DAC chip: AKM4420

Setup: i7 computer system - same as Essence One. Analogue output from Touch going into the E-MU 0404USB for measurements.

Oscilloscope measurement of 1kHz square wave, 0dBFS off the analogue RCA output:
Nice clean waveform. 2.92V peak voltage. No significant channel imbalance noted.

Standard linear phase oversampling digital filter impulse response (16/44). Absolute polarity maintained.

RightMark Results:
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Mostly better results all around compared to the SB3. Frequency response within tighter range over the 20-20kHz spectrum, noise levels 1 dB lower in the 16-bit domain (as if it could go any lower!?), and about -4dB lower with 24-bit data giving the Touch DAC about 17.5 bits of dynamic range. Interestingly, the stereo crosstalk is a bit higher in the Touch vs. SB3 by about 6-8 dB (remember, it's still down at -90dB).

Notice no significant difference between WiFi and wired through the ethernet.

Frequency Response:






16-bit audio vs. 24-bit audio. Looks good. Less bass drop-off than the SB3 with my equipment.


Noise Floor:




 THD Graphs:




Jitter (Dunn J-Test, WiFi):
16-bit:

24-bit:


Analogue outputs look very clean.

Summary:
I guess the only surprise is that the stereo crosstalk is higher in the Touch than the SB3. Otherwise, audio quality seems superior - it can obviously handle 96kHz natively (up to 192kHz with the EDO plug-in as a digital transport), and flatter frequency response especially in the low bass could be audible.

Again, assuming the WiFi strength is reliable and you're not constantly rebuffering, I see no indication that sound quality is negatively impacted by going wireless.

Subjectively, I like the Touch's sound. These days, it powers my bedroom system with SONY amp and Tannoy mX2 bookshelf speakers I got about 10 years ago. For what it is, I can't complain about these analogue output results - very competent! Although you can get better measuring noise floor, dynamic range, etc. with an outboard DAC, the Touch in its stock form is already very impressive and it would be wise to do some A-B testing before thinking an expensive DAC will improve the sound much!

For what you get, the bang-for-the-buck from this little device is fantastic and a shame really that it has been discontinued.